Season Finale

[EdHill]

Holy F'ing shit.

My head is spinning. That was the best 2 hours of TV I've seen in years.

I jsut had a massive TVgasm. my carpet is ruined.

[ElectraGlide]

Spoilers Below.....



Word. That was a fantastic season finale.

I guess Hurley was a foil, and the Others only needed Jack, Kate & Sawyer? That didn't make sense. Henry Gale said they're the good guys, and now they're taking those three "home"? How are we defining "good" here? Kate's a killer. Sawyer's a killer. And Jack's an egotistical asshole. What makes them good guys?

And what's with just letting Michael and Walt go? I thought Walt was soooo important to the Others.

I hope Locke, Eko, & Desmond aren't really dead. That was cool seeing all the metal stuff fly at the wall. I wanted Charlie to get a fork in the throat, but no such luck.

So much more to process, I'm overwhelmed right now.

[deltoro]

EdHill, don't worry about the carpet start typing the recap PLEASE!

The episode was riveting.

[zoobabe]

It WAS riveting! What was up with the look Kate and Jack gave each other in their last scene? Sawyer didn't seem in on it.

[copygodd]

thank husband michael and walt are finally gone. PLEASE tell me the others planted a bomb on the boat. pretty please?

and what was up with that look? i'm calling shenanigans....

[monkeypeanut]

Total tvgasm. I don't think I'm going to be able to sleep tonight. And I can't get on The Fuselage. Server too busy blah blah blah.

Lost is some GREAT tv. It's going to be a long summer.

[Firecat]

I enjoyed the finale...buuuuuuutttttt...I was waiting the entire week to see Sayid kick some ass, and I got nothing.

Alright...so...just to recap some important elements (maybe somebody can clarify some, I don't look at spoilers though).

-The electromagnetism thing brought down the oceanic flight. Which seems plausible, but it couldn't have just been an accident considering how intertwined everyone is.

- Desmonds lady friend had that thing setup to detect something to do with electromagnestism in an attempt to track down desmond.

- The statue with the four toes...wha?

- The bearded man is below Henry Gale. And he probably didn't know about the deal made with michael, the others came up with it to get their leader back?

- The whole bright light thing?

[Double L]

I was actually joking with my roommate that Henry Gale was probably the leader of The Others... just call me Mr. Clue. :D

As for "The Look" of Jack & Kate, I totally thought they agreed they'd jump off the pier together and drown themselves instead of being captured by The Others. I was waiting for the plunge and the epic words: "To be continued..." You can't win everything, can you?

Am I the only one glad the hatch was destroyed? :) Now everyone can hang out at CaveTown again.

As for the explosion that everyone on the island saw/heard... what's up with The Others not being a bit curious to see WTF just happened?

Michael & Walt... I think despite Michael being a total ass for killing Ana Lucia & Libby will decide to go back to the island to help the Losties or at least, we'll have a thrilling dramatic moment of Walt telling his dad they have to go back.

Okay why pick the fat guy to go back to camp. Hurley has no sense of direction... and WTF with the bird screaming "HURLEY!" Yea, I had to Tivo backwards and replay it and it does scream HURLEY!

Oh, so many questions to ponder... maybe I was dreaming but was the woman Elizabeth who gave Desmond the boat, Libby?

[Kat]

Yeah, that was totally Libby. That's a nickname for Elizabeth...which was also the only name I could clearly make out when the scary talky winds were acting up.

[Firecat]

Oh...yeah....

The look on Locke's face when everything went to sh!t = Priceless!

If he's alive, he'll probably run back into the woods and weep like a little girl.

[Firecat]

I just thought of this. How would that woman who was looking for desmond know what to look for? (something to do with electromagnetism). I'm thinking she must know about the island or whatever is going on, but just doesn't know the location.

[chick110]

The girl that Desmond loved before he went to prison was named Widmore. So, was her dad the one who started everything? Was that why he wanted to get rid of Desmond because he wasn't in the "plan" and tried to give him all of that money when he got out of jail? Electromagnetism sounds plausible--could it cause a plane crash?

I didn't get that not-Henry was their leader until he showed up on the dock. Um, where did they get all of the perfectly planed wood to make a dock? Was that a drop? The four-toed partial leg statue was TOO creepy. It reminded me of something from the Simpsons!

And if Desmond killed that one guy, how did he get reborn to become one of the others? :confused:

[EdHill]

Firecat, I think she found out that her dad was invovled with the Dharma initiative and that maybe desmond was stuck on the island, so she has gone off on her own to try and find the island herself. And now she has.

Now we have 4 storylines next year. Penny searching for the island, Michael and walt at home, the losties, and sawyer kate and jack with the others. I can't wait.

The statue freaked me out too.

And isnt it intereting that the man in the hatch with desmond's former job was as a psyops operative.

[TaxGirl]

Kat: I heard Elizabeth in the wind as well!

Double L: I thought the same thing about the look between Kate and Jack being the start of some rebellious action. But nothing happened!


Chick110: Widmore Laboratories was the name on a few items we've seen on the island. The pregnancy test (which came from the plane) was Widmore for sure and I remember seeing other items too. Perhaps Widmore and Hanso/Darma are connected.

So, if Libby met Desmond a few months after her husband died, and Desmond trained for 9 months then "landed" on the island during the race and spent 3 years on the island - does that mean that Libby was in the asylum with Hurley sometime during the 3y9m span?

Why does the bearded guy wear a fake beard? To give a false impression of how long he has been on the island?

What was meant by not-Henry Gale's comment that they got so much more than they thought from Walt?

The dock they were standing on had a pavillion-ish thing on the end with a name on it. I think it said PALA Dock - like there are other docks (else why would you name it).

Where did the motor boat come from? Did it pick up not-Henry somewhere?

So many questions, so little clues!

[EdHill]

The dock they were standing on had a pavillion-ish thing on the end with a name on it. I think it said PALA Dock - like there are other docks (else why would you name it).

Where did the motor boat come from? Did it pick up not-Henry somewhere?

So many questions, so little clues!

The orientation tape for the Pearl hatch did tell them to take the pala ferry to [insert garbled answer].

[susanarosa]

Okay, so Sayid was supposed to be on the beach with the fire waiting for Jack & co. to show up so they could plan their not-attack.

But when the hatch blew up we saw Sayid on the sailboat with Jin and Sun...

Why'd he get back on the boat? Did he know that they were Lost-napped?

How's Hurley going to explain this one. "Uh, the Others have Kate, Jack and Sawyer now. Sorry."

[TheBrain]

I loooooooooooooooooooved last nights show! Two hours of pure heaven. I kept looking at the clock to see how much longer the pleasure would last and it ended way too soon!
So where to start? I love Sayid, he's the only intelligent guy on the island I wish they had him on a lot more. When he went to the Other's camp and it was deserted it goes to show that they don't really live there or at least one of them would still have been there. I wonder what he found in their underground chamber. I bet it he finds out a lot of interesting stuff about the others. Looking forward to that.
I can't believe Michael! He sold everyone out for his son. If he ends up back at the island (and I'm sure he will) I hope he gets lynched. If the Losties accept him back I wont be able to watch any more.
Jack was also pretty stupid to let Michael lead them into an ambush. There should have been a better plan to prevent them from getting captured. But then again maybe that's what that look between him and Kate was, maybe there IS a plan after all.
So about the explosion, I hope John, Ecko and Desmond all survived. They were really interesting characters. I like John for some reason, he reminds me of a wet puppy. The only one we know for sure survived is that ass What'shimname with the accent. I wouldn't have cried to see him go. He has evil in him, he will end up with the Others before long.
All in all, greaaaaaaaaaaaat show. Looking forward to next year and until then we have BIG BROTHER!!

[HungarianKnight]

FYI, I'm halfway done the Bad Twin and the Widmore family play a significant role. All the more reason for me to finish the book.

[JaxMcG]

I agree that they sort of set it up to look like the electromagnetism caused the flight to come down but this seems too coincidental to me. If in fact the "Others" wanted certain people on the flight they had a lot to set up to get that flight down.. Obviously, since the guy in the hatch with Desmond turned out to be an other, he could have planned it so that Desmond would see the rip and follow him out and that the button would not get pushed etc and the plane would crash. However, Desmond did nearly kill him (or are we just meant to think that?) so that might not have been in the plans. Plus, he had to spend three years in the hatch with him waiting for all those people to end up on a plane? Even for this show that is a bit much...

I'm still questioning whether the hatch shook when Desmond didn't push the button becuase there was a plane crashing basically on top of him... However, the whole ending with the white light and the highpitched noise sort of kills that but I don't know. Maybe that was a trick, too and that was just so the Others would know someone used the failsafe and that is why they didn't act shocked afterwards like the Losties did... Too many quesitons. I thought this episode was meant to clear things up...

[ElectraGlide]

I think Elizabeth/Libby giving her husband's boat to Desmond was a scheme from Widmore (father of Desmond's love, Penny), not just a chance meeting. So many questions about Desmond/Penny/Widmore/arctic guys now.

Desmond's full name is Desmond David Hume. Elizabeth/Libby says her husband's name was David, and she gave Desmond David's boat. Another "David" reference so far on this show has been Hurley's imaginary friend Dave, who Hurley saw in the mental institution (where Libby also was) and on the island (Hurley last sees Dave when Dave jumps off the cliff, just before Libby meets up with him). And Desmond is always saying "see you in another life, brotha" and Dave said "see you in another life before he jumped. Now why are all these characters connected?

Forgot to mention eariler, I thought one of the coolest visuals was the hatch timer collapsing in on itself!

[whoislain]

Wow, I totally did not catch the connection of all the Davids. Nice one!

You guys recognized the guy in the hatch with Desmond, right? He was an officer in the unit that captured Sayid during the Gulf War.

How much longer are they going to be able to use the actor who plays Walt? That kid is going to hit a growth spurt any day now and they've only been on the island like two months.

That four toed statue is extra freaky. Did the bird really say Hurley? I rewound the tivo and listened again and it didn't sound like it to me. Was Walt controlling it?

[ElectraGlide]

You guys recognized the guy in the hatch with Desmond, right? He was an officer in the unit that captured Sayid during the Gulf War.
Yeah, I was not expecting to see him again! He maid Sayid torture his own comrade. Good surprise. I'm very curious how he found himself "recruited" by Dharma, or how he started working for/with them. How does one apply to be a test monkey?

Did the bird really say Hurley? I rewound the tivo and listened again and it didn't sound like it to me. Was Walt controlling it?
I was too busy yelling "what the f*ck was that?!" at my TV to hear what the bird said. I've never been good at deciphering all the whispers they hear.

[m_ruv]

Yeah it was interesting that Desmond's last name was Hume. How many more philosophers will we get? Watch Libby's last name be Nietzsche or something.

The thing I want to know is what the hell Brazilians were doing in Antarctica (or wherever they were at the end). That made no sense.

[BSL]

M_Ruv - I thought that Porteguese!

ElectraGlide- good call on all that David work. You had to know they weren't going to tell us her husband's name for no reason - they just don't do that.

I did hear "Hurley" and I heard "Elizabeth" too later.

I kept waiting for the boat Michael and Walt were on to blow up.

My question is - if Penelope is tracking the boat or whatever, then that means it IS part of earth, you know? I know that sounds stupid but Desmond made it seem like there was nothing out there but there must be if it can be tracked.

LONGEST SUMMER EVER!!!!

[Double L]

You guys recognized the guy in the hatch with Desmond, right? He was an officer in the unit that captured Sayid during the Gulf War.

Same guy.

That four toed statue is extra freaky. Did the bird really say Hurley? I rewound the tivo and listened again and it didn't sound like it to me. Was Walt controlling it?

Haha, I had to replay it twice before I heard it shrieking "H-u-r-l-e-y." The second shriek after it flies over, you can sorta hear it shrieking his name.

My theory: The electromagnetic thingy was real BUT what if it controlled an Electromagnetic Barrier around the island that concealed it from all outside instrumentation. Perhaps cloaking the island invisible and at the same time preventing things from entering/leaving the parameter of the island unless they accidentally slipped through the tiny hole that Michael & Walt were told to get through. Now with Desmond, screwing up, he let down the barrier which caused intense magnetism that could likely screw up electronics and caused the plane to crash but also let down the cloaking barrier... Just a theory. Or maybe the intense electromagnetism fries any electronics and screws up a compass with anyone approaching the island which accounts for the high frequency of things crashing onto the island...

[BSL]

Oh yeah and, "We're the good guys" is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER!!!! Um, okay then who are the bad guys? We're good guys too, why are we fighting?

[whoislain]

Interesting theory about the electromagnetic barrier! It makes sense...but why would they entrust the task of keeping the barrier up to random people who crashed on the island? Though I'm still wondering why they didn't have a manual way to discharge the electromagnet or any way to repair the computer equipment...clearly the Dharma Initiative has the worst engineers in the world :)

[whoislain]

Oh, and I'm totally on the Charlie hate-train now. I used to be fine with him but what the hell...Desmond, Locke, and Eko might still be alive but hurt and he's just sitting on the beach flirting with Claire. What an asshole.

[cmagdalen]

Remind me again why we think the guy in the hatch is an Other and why we think he was only "nearly" killed. We didnt see him again after Desmond cracked his grape against the rock right? Did we think he was an other because he took off the suit right after he left the hatch?

When we first saw Desmond rescued werent there at least 3 people in yellow suits? Or was that a double image thing?

When Sayid opened the "hatch" on the beach there was just a rock wall wasnt there? It was just a fake door leading to nothing right?

The Pala Ferry...does that mean that "people" visit the island regularly? Dharma initiative members? If they can leave the island why do they stay and let some of their members die?

I was surprised that Hurley didnt go crazy after learning Michael killed Libby. I was expecting an attack like he did on Sawyer.

When Michael asked "WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?" He was referring to the Others not asking why they wanted Jack, Kate and Sawyer. So how are the Others the good guys? How is killing some of the losties good?

So many questions!

[whoislain]

Remind me again why we think the guy in the hatch is an Other and why we think he was only "nearly" killed.

He said something about having joined the Dharma Initiative. We're all assuming that the Others are part of the Dharma Initiative as well.

When we first saw Desmond rescued werent there at least 3 people in yellow suits? Or was that a double image thing?

I thought there were 3 people too! I'm going to have to rewatch and see.

When Sayid opened the "hatch" on the beach there was just a rock wall wasnt there? It was just a fake door leading to nothing right?

Yes! And the huts looked empty and completely unlived in. It seems the Others live somewhere else.

[Dorothy Zbornak]

Double L - nice theory about the electromagnetism field surrounding the island. I did not take much science in school, so my brain went to "parallel universe."

Of course the others do not actually live in those shacks. That's what they want everyone to think.

I think they are going to do horrible experiments on Jack, Kate & Sawyer.

(Btw, I totally wanted to see both Sayid and Sawyer open a can of whoop-ass on Michael, but, my wish was not granted.)

[Tenk]

Jack was also pretty stupid to let Michael lead them into an ambush. There should have been a better plan to prevent them from getting captured. But then again maybe that's what that look between him and Kate was, maybe there IS a plan after all.


I totally concur that there is a plan. That look they gave each other was so "Get ready, It's on!" Plus Sayid knows what's up so even if there wasn't a plan, I am under the assumption that Sayid is an Iraqi Jack Bauer.

My favorite part of the episode is when the **** is hitting the fan in the hatch and Locke goes "I was wrong." It's kind of like the time I was wrong about Crybabies being more sour than warheads, except being wrong about something that you have been told could end the world is a little bit worse than making the bitter face. I do love the whole idea/theme of being a slave (to the button pressing).

I totally had a tvgasm when the hatch blew. I'm no scientist, but a deafening sound, a blinding white light, and the atmosphere turning violet can't be good. I also liked the voiceover/flashback right before Desmond turned the key.

[HungarianKnight]

Everyone is assuming that the Others are the Hostiles and that they are part of the Dharma/Hanso group. What if they are a Green Peace-type group fighting against Hanso? I'm arguing this theory at work to no avail. Also maybe the Others and the Hostiles are different groups?

[EdHill]

Remember that the man in the hatch from Sayids flashback, his characters name is Joe Inman, was with the army psyops division. And the hatches are suppsoedly a massive psychological experiment.

Desmond probably got lost because the electromangetism messed with all his navigational equipment (compass, etc). The island is essentially "hidden" from the outside world, which is why dharma picked it. Now that desmond switched the failsafe, its revealed to those who are looking for it. Meaning Penny Widmore.

[bridgeguy]

Not sure what to make of the "look" between Jack and Kate. Its probably a secret backup plan that we will find out about in the fall, but the wishy-washy side of me also detected a hint of "If things don't work out, I just wanted you to know......"

Also, did the sound on anyone else's broadcast go all wonky somewhere during the 2nd half hour of the show? I could hear the voices ok, but any background noises and music was all warbled. It was like this on every TV in my house so it wasn't just the set. Then it suddenly went away somewhere during the 3rd half hour and things sounded normal again (thank goodness because it was super annoying.)

[Double L]

Here's a good question:

We know Desmond spent time in prison... but what exactly did he do to go to military prision? Also, he was doing the boat race for "him"... so it wasn't his idea but fullfilling a promise perhaps of someone he killed or someone who died. Also, the letter in the book was written in an awkward fashion refering to "her" (the girlfriend). So if Desmond and the girlfriend didn't write the letter, who did? Was it the person he's doing the race for? :confused:

[plethLaura]

EdHill please stay out of here until you get the recap written. NO DISTRACTIONS!

OK sorry for going all type A on you. I was all atwitter yesterday waiting for the show and I'm just as twittery waiting for your recap.

oh and bridgeguy - nothing wonky happened to me during the show, sorry.

[ElectraGlide]

Also, the letter in the book was written in an awkward fashion refering to "her" (the girlfriend). So if Desmond and the girlfriend didn't write the letter, who did? Was it the person he's doing the race for? :confused:
Desmond's girlfriend did write the letter. It was signed "I love you, Pen" and the voiceover that read the letter was her voice. Also, in the letter she tells him something like all we need to survive is one person who loves us, and Desmond has her, "her" being Penny, the person who loves him.

[deltoro]

aaaaaarrrgghhhh, i currently have a house full of company and only have a few minutes to myself, so let me type this: The bird definitely screeches HURLEY. Closed-captioned confirms this.

hoping tomorrow i'll get more than a few minutes and can read more of the comments/theories of last night's show and the actual recap ... fingers crossed that EdHill will be able to post it soon.

[Firecat]

So I take it that the "button" story has now been wrapped up. Nobody was sure if it was fake or real. We were lead to believe that the people in Pearl were documenting what happened in Swan, and that it was an experiment...but Ecko(?) had said that maybe the people in Pearl were the ones that were being tested. And I guess seeing all those journals by the end of the pneumatic tube confirms this.....right?

[Firecat]

aaaaaarrrgghhhh, i currently have a house full of company and only have a few minutes to myself, so let me type this: The bird definitely screeches HURLEY. Closed-captioned confirms this.


Perhaps. But I was cracking up at Sawyer's response. I was also cracking up when Sawyer said "Jibber-Jabber"...that phrase is used way too little IMO.

[Hardly@Work]

I'm so confused....
Did the quarantine hatch door fall from the sky? And can anyone explain this to me--I'm trying to make some sense of this....

And when Desmond turned the key it did what exactly? Reinstated the shield around the island that is protecting the rest of the world from the leak? So, what about the button? Doesn't it still need to be pushed to prevent that fron happening in another 108 minutes?

And Charlie? WTF? Why not get some help for the people in the hatch, is there still a hatch?

Is there anyone who has read the book, playing the game and knows about electromagnetism to make sense of this? Well I guess we have all summer.

To whomever asked- Desmond said he wanted to win Penelope's father's race, I assume her father usually wins it and Desmond wanted to beat him at it in order to regain some pride to make him feel good enough for Penny. Are they usually one person by themselves on the boat or a crew? Maybe her father just sponsors it? I can't see Mr. Widmore manning the whole boat.

[babeblue]

I totally concur that there is a plan. That look they gave each other was so "Get ready, It's on!" Plus Sayid knows what's up so even if there wasn't a plan, I am under the assumption that Sayid is an Iraqi Jack Bauer.

My favorite part of the episode is when the **** is hitting the fan in the hatch and Locke goes "I was wrong." It's kind of like the time I was wrong about Crybabies being more sour than warheads, except being wrong about something that you have been told could end the world is a little bit worse than making the bitter face. I do love the whole idea/theme of being a slave (to the button pressing).

I totally had a tvgasm when the hatch blew. I'm no scientist, but a deafening sound, a blinding white light, and the atmosphere turning violet can't be good. I also liked the voiceover/flashback right before Desmond turned the key.

locke definitely had the understatement of the season with that one!

also, did anyone else trip out when desmond said that it had only been 2 1/2 weeks since he set sail on the boat? only two weeks!?dude skipped out at the beginning of this season! michael left waaaay after desmond and was gone for about a week and a half (13 days according to his flashback), so seems like des should have been gone like a month.

i know it's supposed to be about 60 days since the plane crash, but come on!?! these time frames are crazy!

[susanarosa]

Well, if Eko's been killed off at least he can fall back on his second job as center of the Detroit Pistons

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[cmagdalen]

From looking at the Brochure, Pennys father puts on the race that Desmond wants to win.

Good point DOuble L - What did Desmond go to military prison for?

There has to be more to the whole Libby giving him a boat thing. Too bad she is dead or else they could have seen each other again...that would have been weird, both Jack and Libby knowing Desmond. Oh and Hurley.

Hmm, is LIbby the only one that has a solid connection with some of the other losties? I mean, there are suttle connections like Sawyer running into the car with Jacks dad and Ana in it, and Sawyer drinking with Jacks dad (ohhh 2 connections with Jacks dad!) but are there any other REAL connections?

[Tenk]

I'm so confused....
Did the quarantine hatch door fall from the sky? And can anyone explain this to me--I'm trying to make some sense of this.... .

I just assumed that the force of the/an explosion sent the swan quarantine hatch door (that they blew open in season 1 to find desmond) flying.

And when Desmond turned the key it did what exactly? Reinstated the shield around the island that is protecting the rest of the world from the leak? So, what about the button? Doesn't it still need to be pushed to prevent that fron happening in another 108 minutes?

I believe Inman (Imman?) said that turning the key would blow it all up. I can't confirm that though since I don't have a DVR. I suck.

And Charlie? WTF? Why not get some help for the people in the hatch, is there still a hatch?

Haha. Good point.

[Pekmboyd]

Re: the fail safe, Inman says it will "make this all go away" or something like that, he doesnt' say anything about "blow up".

I don't think the hatch actually explodes - the white light seems more like an energy wave than a bomb-type explosion - and the hatch door being the ONLY piece of shrapnel that makes it to the beach seems very odd - what if turning the key reverses the polarization of the magnetic field so that metal is flung away and sailboats / planes would be repelled from the island rather than what has happened before with boats / planes being drawn toward the island?

[mountain_girl]

A theory that a friend came up with on why they wanted Jack, Kate and Sawyer was that each one has had hallucinations since being on the island. Jack saw his dad (remember, he is still running around the island somewhere, 'cause he's certainly not in his coffin.) And Kate and Sawyer both saw the black horse. While Hurley also had hallucinations, we saw from the flashbacks that it was something that he has dealt with prior to the island and that is maybe why he was let go. Granted, both Charlie and Eko have also had visions but theirs came through dreams.

Personally, I think the look that Jack and Kate shared was heavier with unrequited lust than any secondary plan but that's just me.

I also think that the Others are sending Michael into a trap with the baring that they gave him. Fake Henry obviously came from somewhere else. I think that he follows the heading right into the Others secondary outpost/island and they take Walt away again. Yeesh, another season of WAAAALLLLLTTTTT!

Fake Henry is so the middle management of this operation. Ms Clue and Zeke may bow to him but someone in the upper tiers of Hanso (or Widmore, maybe) is pulling his strings.

I'm pretty sure Sayid went back to the boat because he realized that the camp was a fake and Michael was taking the group somewhere else.

The introduction of Penny just adds fuel to the flame for me to read the Bad Twin. She's totally looking for Desmond.

If the guy in the hatch is really Joe Inman then why did he introduce himself to Desmond as Kelvin Edmund? And he did say that he was "recruited" for Dharma.

I can't believe that they would kill of both Eko and Locke and since they were standing right next to each other I find it hard to believe that only one would die. I've also got my fingers crossed for Desmond. His accent makes my toes curl. Grrr.

Now the part that I. Just. Can't. Get. Past. WHAT THE F*CK is up with that four toed foot? I can accept the bird screaming Hurley's name and the wind crying Elizabeth. But why on earth would there be the remnants of what had to be a huge statue with only four freaking toes? And it's not like the little toe was broken off leaving only four. That f*cker was carved that way.

[Tenk]

Here's a thought. Everybody thinks that Penny is looking for Desmond. What if she is looking for something else. Just a thought.

Nice pic, susanarosa.

[Madam Pomfrey]

My theory: The electromagnetic thingy was real BUT what if it controlled an Electromagnetic Barrier around the island that concealed it from all outside instrumentation. Perhaps cloaking the island invisible and at the same time preventing things from entering/leaving the parameter of the island unless they accidentally slipped through the tiny hole that Michael & Walt were told to get through. Now with Desmond, screwing up, he let down the barrier which caused intense magnetism that could likely screw up electronics and caused the plane to crash but also let down the cloaking barrier... Just a theory. Or maybe the intense electromagnetism fries any electronics and screws up a compass with anyone approaching the island which accounts for the high frequency of things crashing onto the island...

I love your theory!


I have so many questions rolling around in my head.

Why was Alex, or who we presume is Alex, scared when she saw Fake Henry coming in the boat? They all seemed a bit nervous, but she looked especially freaked.

What was up with the painting on the wall? Kelvin was continuing the painting, I think, but I had a hard time following it. Was this what Locke saw when he was trapped under the door? Why did Kelvin's partner paint it to begin with?

Could Danielle's original group have been Dharma folks? Its been so long that I can't remember what sort of work she said they were there for, but it seems like it was research of some nature.

Why didn't Desmond take his beloved book with him when he left the first time? Or was that part with him tearing the bookshelves apart and finding it behind all the other books a flashback?

Was the black smoke from Sayid or was it from someone else?

Why did Charlie act like nothing had happened? Why didn't he go back to check on Locke and Eko and Des? Why didn't he tell Claire what went down at the hatch? Seems like it would be something to tell someone.

I definitely heard "Elizabeth" whispered by the wind along with other names I couldn't make out. But I didn't hear the grassbird say Hurley. WTF was that thing?!?!

This finale was awesome. I can't wait to watch it again tonight!

[Jinger]

Here's a thought. Everybody thinks that Penny is looking for Desmond. What if she is looking for something else. Just a thought.

Yes yes yes! She was in a picture with Sawyer, I know it! I don't remember what episode or anything but I know it was her. Does anyone remember!?!?

[Saul]

A little off topic, but... am I wrong or have the Others never actually killed anyone? -- I know they've taken people; they've appeared as if they were about to kill people (Ana); and they've almost killed people (Charlie hanging), but... seems the only actual killing on the island has been done by those who were stranded: the plane group, Desmond.... am I wrong there?....

Maybe the Others ARE the good guys....

[carol]

When Charlie was talking to Clare on the beach, she asked him what happened in the hatch, he then said something to the effect of "which part? the part where I almost died by a giant fire ball or the loud funk?" Charlie would use the word 'funk' to talk about the noise. If something did explode, he would have said something else. (The fire ball was when Eco tried to blow the door). Also, when some of the people on the beach asked about Eco and Locke, Charlie said "They're not back yet?" which makes me think they are still alive. Notice, they never showed the other people on the beach near the fire at the end.

[Double L]

A little off topic, but... am I wrong or have the Others never actually killed anyone? -- I know they've taken people; they've appeared as if they were about to kill people (Ana); and they've almost killed people (Charlie hanging), but... seems the only actual killing on the island has been done by those who were stranded: the plane group, Desmond.... am I wrong there?....

Maybe the Others ARE the good guys....

No, they did kill a random Lostie in Season 1. I forget which episode, but it was around when Claire was kidnapped. Everyone was freaked out and worried The Others would come through the jungle, instead, they arrived by sea and killed one of the Losties on the beach as a warning. Not to mention, they did blow up Micheal, Jin, & Sawyer's raft and tried to kill them. And the Crazy French Chick warn them in Season 1 that when The Others come, the Losties either fight and die or flee and hide. But then again, it's Crazy French Chick.

[zevonia]

Don't forget that Goodwin, the Other who was with the tailies, killed Nathan, the guy they first suspected of being an Other. Let him out of the hole and snapped his neck like he was nothing. The Others are not nice people.

[Madam Pomfrey]

More questions, comments-

The guy in the mental hospital with Hurley- the number guy- was he originally on the island, maybe as a button pusher or an observer from the pearl hatch and thats why he repeated the numbers over and over? Could he have been released at some point like Michael and Walt?


Are the Others cloning people?


Fake Henry was not happy that Tom/Zeke and the other others had made the deal to exchange Walt for his return. But he made it clear that they keep their word (because they are the good guys?). So how will this affect their plans? I guess we would need to know the plan in the first place. Maybe they cloned Walt and figured Michael wouldn't know the difference since he wasn't a constant in Walt's life. Ms.Clue certainly pointed out to Michael how he didn't know much about his boy.

Was Hurley still there when Fake Henry gave Michael the directions to get out of there? Will the losties try to use the directions with Desmond's boat and what will THEY find if they do? Is there a keeper of the escape hole that Michael and Walt will use? One that Fake Henry has disabled to let them go, but ONLY them?


When I was driving to school to pick up the kids yesterday, I saw the freakiest bird fly over my car! It was a crane or something like that, not something I see regularly. Totally freaked me out!


ETA- More thoughts-

Mr. Widmore is connected to the race Desmond was on. Either the creator or a huge financial backer, or whatever. I'd like to know more about his interest in this kind of race. Was this a new thing for him or something he'd been doing for years? Did he race himself? Desmond made a comment that he'd win this race, but did he also say he'd beat Mr Widmore?

Why does Mr Widmore hate him so much? What did he do that caused Desmond to have to reclaim his honor?

Is Mr Widmore still alive?

Did Pen marry the man she was engaged to? Who might HE be?!?!?!

[Tabby Lavalamp]

Back in the first season, the Losties came across a polar bear. Later on, we are shown Walt reading a comic book with a polar bear.
Now, often in comics and cartoons characters are drawn with four fingers and toes because it's easier to so and have it look decent. At least in the more cartoonish ones.
So I'm wondering if a lot of this somehow comes back to Walt, and the foot of the statue might be another image from a comic book.


Speaking of Walt, despite all the tears and joy and the music to tug at heartstrings, I found it impossible to be happy about his reunion with Michael. All I could think about were the two people Michael murdered and the four people he put into who knows what danger just to reunite with his son. Michael does need to pay for what he's done, so here's hoping it happens next season...

[zoobabe]

:confused: OK- I've been waiting for EdHill's recap to comment, but I've been reading all of yours and they're quite interesting so I'll add my own.

The "look" between Kate and Jack at the end really seemed like a "we have a plan thing-right? don't worry" thing to me. It's like they knew this could happen and have a way to get out of it.

I also thought that the boat was going to blow up with Walt and Michael in it. How could Henry tell Michael to follow a particular compass setting to get saved when the electromagnectic pull of the island is supposedly fucking with all the compass readings (per Desmond)? How could someone be meeting them to take them to safety? Are the Others constantly shifting the good people on/off the island this way? Why would they need a food drop if they can get off the island by boat? I think this is just a bullshit line by Henry to lull Michael into a trap to kill/capture them.

The statue thing so totally gave me a Planet Of The Apes flashback. Maybe the island is not really where they think it is geographically, but instead is some broken off piece of land from a large city. It looked like the leg of a large cat (like a lion).

I think that the Others want Jack, Kate, and Sawyer to perform some kind of behavioral experiments on them, just like they were doing with Walt. They all have strong personalities and strong moral fibers cloaked in evil outcomes at times.

EDHill- recap soon? Please?

[Firecat]

The "look" between Kate and Jack at the end really seemed like a "we have a plan thing-right? don't worry" thing to me. It's like they knew this could happen and have a way to get out of it

True, but it also could be seen as a look like "yeah, I screwed this up. My bad"....

The reason I'd lean more towards the former though is because when Jack confronted Michael and told Kate and Sawyer he wouldn't have done this unless he had a plan, they never showed Jack explaining the plan at all. I hope there was more, because Sayid's plan was basically - I'll take the boat (that I can't sail myself) and drive ahead...then create some black smoke.

[palmtree]

I totally believe that Jack and Kate are up to something but didn't bother to tell Sawyer. So glad Michael and Walt are gone. Walt didn't look that scared on the boat, he was just kinda hanging out, like he wasn't just abducted by the Other's. That foot thing also reminded me of Planet of the Apes. Did anyone else notice that three stones shaped to look like a door that Jin saw? I thought it was another creation of Stonehenge? Some made mention to me that the foot looked like The Colossus of Rhodes, one the seven wonders of the world. Edhill is the recap coming soon???? I'm feening over here!!

[Mulv]

A few thoughts:

Charlie sucks. He's whiney and his teeth bug me. I know it's not nice to make fun of someone's appearance but he's rich and famous and on TV, he should get that shit fixed. And Claire...really, Claire? Charlie? All right, whatever, I guess.

I'm glad the Hatch blew up. I was so sick of the whole Locke & The Hatch storyline. Too much angst. I miss Season one Locke. He was fun in a crazy old uncle kind of way.

Michael and Walt: Good Lord. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

I saw Cynthia Watros on Craig Ferguson the other week and she alluded to the fact that Libby will be around a lot in season 3 so Libby must be integral to the whole Dharma, Widmore plot.

When he was in Hatch jail, Henry Gale said that the leader of the Others was a great leader. Was he just lying to misdirect the Losties? Is there really a leader? If so, where and who is he?

[zoobabe]

Maybe Libby's connection has to do with her dead husband. If she was a psychologist, It's totally possible that her husband was working for Dharma or had an association with Widmore. She could have been doing her own "research" in the psych ward.

[PhoneSexOperator]

I rewatched the finale again, and I saw this scene where Michael's had a infected lesion on his arm...and he was hurting...I wonder if that's from his gunshot wound or the disease that killed Danielle's crew. Haha hopefully he'll die either way.

[EdHill]

A few thoughts:

Charlie sucks. He's whiney and his teeth bug me. I know it's not nice to make fun of someone's appearance but he's rich and famous and on TV, he should get that shit fixed. And Claire...really, Claire? Charlie? All right, whatever, I guess.

I'm glad the Hatch blew up. I was so sick of the whole Locke & The Hatch storyline. Too much angst. I miss Season one Locke. He was fun in a crazy old uncle kind of way.

Michael and Walt: Good Lord. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

I saw Cynthia Watros on Craig Ferguson the other week and she alluded to the fact that Libby will be around a lot in season 3 so Libby must be integral to the whole Dharma, Widmore plot.

When he was in Hatch jail, Henry Gale said that the leader of the Others was a great leader. Was he just lying to misdirect the Losties? Is there really a leader? If so, where and who is he?


I agree. F charlie, F his teeth. Driveshaft still kicks major ass though.

[chick110]

Charlie has junkie teeth, it fits his character.

And thank you EdHill for getting the recap done! It was a great one, especially the pic of the four-toed statue.

After seeing the season opener last night again, I had a thought. Jack had a bad wig on for his recap, so did Libby when she was talking to Desmond in the coffeeshop. How strange is it that they found fake beards and wigs in one of the hatches?

[Hardly@Work]

I thought Henry made it pretty obvious, along with the fake hatch, that the beard and costumes were to make the losties think that the others were not sophisticated, and obviously they are. With Claire's med-hatch flashback, we know that the others are or were Dharma people.

Was there any mention of barracks in the orientation video at the Pearl? I thought it said something about going to the barracks and waiting for the ferry?

Charlie: in real life he's dating Kate, so I think they are setting him up to be evil to give him a storyline to keep him around to make real kate happy.

Michael: for the most part I believe he is off the show. Walt can always reappear on the island, because we know he can pop up anywhere he wants.

I have no f'n clue about that statue.

[madpuppy]

aaaaaarrrgghhhh, i currently have a house full of company and only have a few minutes to myself, so let me type this: The bird definitely screeches HURLEY. Closed-captioned confirms this.


The same thing happened in last year's season finale- I forget exactly when, but we see a bird screech Hurley's name during one of the flashback sequences.

[palmtree]

The same thing happened in last year's season finale- I forget exactly when, but we see a bird screech Hurley's name during one of the flashback sequences.

Oooo, you have to tell me what episode that was, I don't remember that. I ALWAYS watch LOST on closed caption because you can miss so much without it. When Jack first entered the hatch the music was blaring and if you didn't have closed caption you wouldn't have realized that Kate was screaming for him from the vents.

[madpuppy]

Oooo, you have to tell me what episode that was, I don't remember that. I ALWAYS watch LOST on closed caption because you can miss so much without it. When Jack first entered the hatch the music was blaring and if you didn't have closed caption you wouldn't have realized that Kate was screaming for him from the vents.

It was during last year's season finale- I'm pretty sure it was when Hurley, Locke, etc. were going to the Black Rock to get the dynamite.

[Mulv]

Hey EdHill,
I just finished reading your recap (Good Lord, that was a long one. I feel like you should get college credit for that beast) and wanted to comment but didn't feel like signing up. Since I already am a member in the forums I thought I'd do it here.

I don't have much to say except that your recap made me like the finale more. Originally I wasn't all that thrilled with the finale but your enthusiasm for it is infectious. Now, I'm beginning to come around. I was preparing dinner and checking my email while I was watching it so maybe I just didn't focus enough on it to get everything. Anyway, after reading the recap the episode makes a lot more sense to me and I like it more.

I totally figured that the electromagnetism brought the plane down, though. I mean, c'mon, what else could it have been?

Also, have the thunderstorms reached Hartford yet? We just had them go through here so I figure they're on their way to you now.

[Hardly@Work]

Totally off topic- yell later --but Mulv and Ed-hill- I spent 2 wks in Conn. last year, but I can't remember where- New Millford? On a large lake? Does that make sense? Just wanted to say your state is very beautiful and I look forward to returning- if I could just remember where i was....

The recap--edhill, really appreciate the time you put into that, it did make the finale better.

[Mulv]

Totally off topic- yell later --but Mulv and Ed-hill- I spent 2 wks in Conn. last year, but I can't remember where- New Millford? On a large lake? Does that make sense? Just wanted to say your state is very beautiful and I look forward to returning- if I could just remember where i was....

You were probably on Candlewood Lake. It is a very big lake as it stretches into five towns - New Milford, Danbury, New Fairfield, Sherman and Brookfield. It's actually man made, believe it or not. They flooded a town in the 1920s. I'm not exactly sure why. It's a beautiful lake but in actual fact is kind of a cess pool because people started building homes on the lake before the implementation of zoning and wetlands regulations. As a result, some peoples' septic systems leak into the lake. Gross, eh? Hope you didn't go swimming.

Happily, not all lakes in CT are like that. If you're ever up this way again I recommend Lake Waramaug. There are lots of charming inns and great restaurants on the lake as well as great recreational opportunities. It's very beautiful and, unlike Candlewood Lake, clean!!

Thanks for the kind words about CT. Being stuck in between Massachusetts and New York, we often get overlooked. We are sort of the Jan Brady of New England.

Anyway, tourism solicitation done.

[Mulv]

I didn't mean to kill the discussion in here with my mini-dissertation on Candlewood Lake.

So, Henry is the leader of the Others. Is that the general consensus? It's not that I don't think this is entirely plausible, it's just that this is LOST and nothing is ever that simple with this show. He's got to answer to someone else. And who was running the show over in Otherland while he was captured?

Yeah, the whole Libby and her dead husband Dave thing must be leading somewhere. They wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.

On a completely superficial note, I have a bone to pick with Evangeline Lily. And not the kind EdHill does.

Ok, don't get me wrong, she's freakishly beautiful, but her hair drives me nuts. There is always a strand or two or twelve falling in her face. Are you telling me that the Losties found a pregnancy test in the wreckage but not a signle barrett? Come on Evangeline. Clip that shit back.

[TaxGirl]

Thanks for the kind words about CT. Being stuck in between Massachusetts and New York, we often get overlooked. We are sort of the Jan Brady of New England.

Don't feel bad. Rhode Island was once described (by the NY Times, I think) as a "smudge on the road to Cape Cod".

We actually have great beaches (lots and lots for such a small state), tons of historical stuff and plenty of culture. With Rhode Island School of Design art-y students, Johnson & Wales culinary students and Brown students we have lots of art installations, tons of great restaurants and lots of SUVs!:D

[Pekmboyd]

So, Henry is the leader of the Others. Is that the general consensus? It's not that I don't think this is entirely plausible, it's just that this is LOST and nothing is ever that simple with this show. He's got to answer to someone else. And who was running the show over in Otherland while he was captured?

Ok, don't get me wrong, she's freakishly beautiful, but her hair drives me nuts. There is always a strand or two or twelve falling in her face. Are you telling me that the Losties found a pregnancy test in the wreckage but not a signle barrett? Come on Evangeline. Clip that shit back.


A - I think the Henry consensus is that he's probably the on-island leader, but there's a huge possibility that Mr. Widmore or some Widmore/Dharma/Hanso person off-island that is truly in charge.

B - Funny you mentioned that, because my coworker and his wife actually call her "Hair in her face girl" when discussing the show...ex "so what was that look Jack gave hair in her face girl on the dock?"

[susanarosa]

I want Evangeline Lilly's arms. Seriously, girl's got guns.

[BaskEtcAse]

Could Joe and Kelvin Inman be two different people...twins, maybe??

[Pekmboyd]

Could Joe and Kelvin Inman be two different people...twins, maybe??

Well, it's Lost, so anything's possible...twins, clones, why not!

[Mulv]

Could Joe and Kelvin Inman be two different people...twins, maybe??

I like that theory but I remember Inman telling Desmond that he joined Dharma after getting out of the service meaning it is likely (but not definite) that it was he who crossed paths with Sayid.

Of course, this is Lost, so anything's possible. Maybe he and his twin both joined the service and the bad one taught Sayid to torture. Or, equally likely, maybe Joe is the good one and Kelvin was the bad one.

Goddamn this show.

[ElectraGlide]

I like that theory but I remember Inman telling Desmond that he joined Dharma after getting out of the service meaning it is likely (but not definite) that it was he who crossed paths with Sayid.

I've only rewatched the finale like four times. This is part of the convo about why Inman left the army:

Inman: "Why'd you leave that nice old lady's army? Oh I remember now. You got kicked out because you couldn't follow orders."
Desmond: "And why did you leave your army Kelvin, huh?"
Inman: "'Cause men followed my orders."

Sayid did follow Clancy Brown's orders in Iraq, and I assume the American solders did too. Anyways, earlier in the episode, Desmond asks Inman who he is, and Inman says "I'm Inman, Kelvin Inman." The way he says Kelvin sounds strange, kind of long and drawn out, moreso than Inman. He puts extra stress on the Kelvin part for some reason.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, I just found it strange.

I want Evangeline Lilly's arms. Seriously, girl's got guns.

I'll take the not too wavy, just wavy enough hair. Even when it's pulled back, girl has the best Lostaway hair, with Claire possibly in second.