Lost: Not in Portland (2/7/07) [Archive]

basia.mille

02-07-2007, 08:45 PM

Yeah, I thought it was a good episode, but I'm just interested in seeing what's up with the non-others that aren't involved in a love triangle. I feel like I haven't seen nearly enough of Locke, Sun, Jin, Sayid and Claire this season.

I liked the little surprises we discovered at the end of this episode though with Juliet. I was thrilled to see some Others in the real world. I'm just happy that they've finally shed some light on how the Others came about... even if it's only a tid bit. And what's better is that knowing that Ethan recruited Juliet while in America wasn't there just to open up more questions, instead it seems to be pushing the story along... which is something Lost fails to do pretty often.

Yay! I'm happy it's back, and although this episode wasn't mind-blowing, it certainly was better than I had anticipated. I think my love is starting to come back a little.

JulieM

02-07-2007, 09:58 PM

I liked it. I'm happy to know how Sun got pregnant.

The bus though...that was great.

campfiregirl

02-07-2007, 10:12 PM

The bus was the best!!! My Hubby came home just as that scene started and I said wait this guy is getting hit by that bus and WHAM! I do like that they got Kate and Sawyer of the little island and back to main group. Liked finding out that the girl is Ben's daughter and that Juliet is not a willing Other.

Oh and Ben waking up during surgery was just a little creepy. We need lip readers to tell us what was said.

I have no problem loving both Heros and Lost. They are like kids, we love them for who they are and just because they disappoint us we can't give them back.:D

I feel the same about Survivor and the Amazing Race:D

t-bag

02-07-2007, 10:14 PM

I half expected Juliet to pull a Mean Girls and after he got hit by the bus say, "Just kidding," and then continue on with the scene like normal. I'm very disappointed they didn't. Hands down, it would have been the best Lost moment ever.

Chris

02-07-2007, 11:48 PM

Well Ben isn't really Alex's father. Rousseau was already pregnant when she came to the island. He just raised her after they stole her from her mother.

I thought the brain washing thing was really interesting and for anyone who's into the whole Jacob and his twelve sons (one being Benjamin) in the Bible, we got a little blurb on the brainwashing screen. "God loves you as he loves Jacob."

Overall, I'm excited to see where this season goes. I think the Sawyer/Kate relationship is about to get rocked. Did you see the look on Sawyer's face while Kate was talking to Jack on the radio? And if she tries to go back there, I'm sure Sawyer will take it as Kate having feelings for him.

Best part about this episode? No Nikki and Paolo. Seriously. Just pretend you never tried with those two, ABC.

dsheridan5

02-08-2007, 05:36 AM

I wish they would have let that guy finish when Jack asked him why they didn't just take Ben off the island. He was ready to start telling all when they were interupted. He said something about when the sky turned purple??

Also, I wish we could have heard what Ben was saying to Juliet.

JulieM-I'm confused about Sun getting pregnant? What do you mean?

basia.mille

02-08-2007, 05:50 AM

Didn't Juliet already tell what Ben was saying to her. But I guess she could have been lying...

I thought it was crazy that The Others had some kind of control over how Edmund (that was his name, right?) died. How did they do that?

And yeah, what is this about Sun being pregnant? Someone else mentioned that in another thread, but didn't say what they learned.

Jinger

02-08-2007, 06:20 AM

I'm kinda feeling like I'm alone in loving this episode. I just missed it so much it was nice to get a fix!

Juliet's story shed some light on why she is how she is on the island. When she was in Miami, she was sooo broken down and just kinda sad and her ex-hubby - what a HUGE jag! He had some kind of power over her mentally because she just seemed so weak and repressed in her flashback as opposed to how she acts all tough on the island. She's obviously bitter and pissed off. What was Ethan doing at her sister's place or was he just in the hallway!? Could he somehow have been the one to get her pregnant?

Sawyer with all of his nicknames for Alex was making me laugh....of course they are all escaping me now. I think my fav scene was Kate talking to Jack, and the look on Sawyer and Juliet's faces, maybe a little envious of that connection?

WTF was up with the Clockwork Orange crap!? That was freaky (and loud!) and just weird! Poor Karl...I wonder if the Losties are going to take care of him and more importantly are we going to find out who he is and where he came from? Was he on the plane or was he raised there on the island?

It seems people are getting frustrated with the not so quick answers, but this is pretty much the protocol from day one so I'm not that bothered by it. They only have 1 hour a week to cover a whole lot of stuff! Heroes answers a lot of questions rather quickly and then everyone bitches that it's too convenient and they took the easy way out. Lost creates more questions than answers most episodes and everyone bitches it goes too slow. My love is back and I am going to enjoy the next 16 weeks immensely!

susanarosa

02-08-2007, 06:55 AM

The brainwashing sequence was one of the creepiest things I've seen on television. I hope we learn more about Karl.

So that was Ethan in the hallway? I blinked and I missed it.

I enjoyed this episode. It wasn't a *bam* Lost type of episode but it moved the story along and I thought it was pretty darn interesting if not lacking some excitement.

I'm starting to really enjoy Jack's character (a character I never really liked) and I could care less about Kate and Sawyer.

I'm glad next week is back on the "other" other island. Let's hope we get more answers.

Who doesn't love Dan or whatever he said his name was, now?

pearlblackdragon

02-08-2007, 07:03 AM

And yeah, what is this about Sun being pregnant? Someone else mentioned that in another thread, but didn't say what they learned.

JulieM-I'm confused about Sun getting pregnant? What do you mean?

Last season when we found out that Sun got pregnant we got to see a "Sun Flashback". During that flashback we found out that Jun and Sun couldn't have kids. The doctor told them that Sun just wouldn't be able to do it. After Jun freaked out at her and left, the doctor confided in Sun that Jun was actually the reason she couldn't get pregnant but he didn't want to tell Jun, because he didn't want to deal with an angry Jun.
We then find out that Sun is having an affair with her English Teacher. A lot of people claimed that it was an emotional affair, and that she got pregnant because of the island. I on the other hand believed that she was sleeping with her English teacher, which they confirmed at the end of last season. Last night they had a recap of the show so far where they re-confirmed that Sun did in fact sleep with her teacher and that she doesn't know who the father of her baby is. And that is where we are so far on the pregnancy.

silentfire

02-08-2007, 07:32 AM

wesb

02-08-2007, 08:53 AM

One interesting consequence of Karl being taken to the main island is that Alex will eventually probably go there too, to find him. That would set the stage for the eventual face-to-face that'll have to happen between Danielle and Alex. Come to think of it, that'd be a dynamite set up for a Danielle-centric episode.

When Ben asked about Alex right before going into surgery, it was a huge clue that she was his daughter -- at moments like those, people think of family, not bratty little saboteurs who are always getting in the way. When he asked about her, my first thought was that Danielle and Ben were really Alex's parents, that Danielle's story of how she got to the island is probably only semi-true, filtered through a delusional and somewhat insane mind. I'm suspecting that there's a grain of truth in everything Danielle said, but that the real flashbacks will show a very different reality.

BTW, the name "Linus" could be a middle name; not a last name. Maybe his full name is Benjamin Linus Rousseau...

Jinger

02-08-2007, 08:58 AM

I would be shocked beyond belief if Ben was Alex's biological father. I think that Rousseau was already pregnant or got pregnant on the island when her crew was still alive and that the Others took the baby and Ben raised her as his. And if Alex was a baby, she would not have a clue that was even a possibility. Plus didn't their reasons for needing Juliet there have something to do with them NOT being able to conceive children?!

I am thinking that Karl heading to the Losties camp may bring us some interesting info. I still want to know how he ended up on the island!

wesb

02-08-2007, 09:33 AM

I think that the idea of Ben being Alex's biological father fits right in to the wild plot twists they use on the show. Compare Danielle's story with this one...

Danielle, who was never that stable in the first place, has her baby in Otherville, but in a super case of post-partum depression, runs off into the jungle with it. She and the baby are brought back, but she runs away again, believing in her mind that these people have stolen her child.

Her story has a grain of truth, but the actual story fits in neatly with her nd Ben being Alex's parents...

TinkerbellAPixie

02-08-2007, 09:41 AM

The bus was the best!!! My Hubby came home just as that scene started and I said wait this guy is getting hit by that bus and WHAM!

It would have been more exciting if it wasn't the third time I've seen the ole - step in the street mid-sentence and get smacked by a bus routine. First on Felicity then on Nip/Tuck. Though, I love seeing the many ways this actor gets killed off shows - wasn't he the one smashed by a helicopter on ER - or am I confusing him with another bald meanie?

I thought the brain washing thing was really interesting and for anyone who's into the whole Jacob and his twelve sons (one being Benjamin) in the Bible, we got a little blurb on the brainwashing screen. "God loves you as he loves Jacob."

I wanted to go back and do a frame by frame of that scene but i figured I'll leave it to some uber fan site to do the work for me. I'm sure it has all kinds of hidden meanings.

Best part about this episode? No Nikki and Paolo. Seriously. Just pretend you never tried with those two, ABC.

However, their names were in the credits. I'm still willing to give Paolo a chance - cuz he's hot. Nikki can go away tho.

I'm kinda feeling like I'm alone in loving this episode. I just missed it so much it was nice to get a fix! My love is back and I am going to enjoy the next 16 weeks immensely!

I'm with you Jinger. There is not another show on TV that gets me as excited as Lost - I love every minute of it. I love the questions - I love getting little bits here and there. It keeps me engaged. And thank you for calling it the Lostie camp - that suits it far more than the "non-other" camp.

basia.mille

02-08-2007, 09:56 AM

EW hyped up the episode like it was going to reveal ALOT! Instead all we got was a juliet backstory and a wierd/crazy brainwashing session (which raises MORE questions). I thought the girl ending up being Ben's daughter was interesting though, as also the part where Ben wakes up during surgery, how freaky. I was SOO pissed when they didn't let us hear the conversation between Ben and Juliet, wtf is up with that--Oh that's right, they need to give us MORE questions. Im sorry but for a show that's been off the air for like 2 months I expected more a mediocre episode.

What is everyone talking about how they explained how the others got there? I don't remember them revealing that. All I got was the juliet was super intelligent geneticist/scientist who managed to impregnate her sister who wasn't able to get pregnant. Then they offered her a job in portland which was actually just a front to get her on the island. That doesn't really explain how the rest of the people got there. How about some answers for the crazy black smoke monster, or why locke can walk, or why the numbers are important, or why that oceanic flight was so important and why those people.

This show is aggravating!!

I didn't think the brainwashing scene with Karl brought on more questions, really. For me, it just confirmed suspicions. I had guessed that some brainwashing had to be going on, even if it's something like what they did with Michael. They used Walt to get to Kate, Sawyer and Jack. To me, that's a form of manipulation for the good of The Others. Also, it's just so weird to me that anyone would want to be on that island, when they know how to get off, if it wasn't for some form of mind control or brainwashing. It seems like their sort of thing is to trick people into wanting to be there. Even Juliet seemed to play mind games with Jack. If anything, the scene with Karl was more of an answer, imo. It sort of brought light upon something that already seemed to be there.

I don't get why so many people are upset about not hearing the conversation between Ben and Juliet... she told what he said to her. It goes to show how much someone would do for their freedom, and that Juliet isn't as evil as we would have thought. She just wants to go home. I think if I were in her situation I would have wanted Ben dead as well. She's really in the same boat as Jack is. I could be wrong though. Juliet is a devious one.

And this episode didn't explain how The Others got there, but again, it confirmed some suspicions. A lot of people had feelings that The Others had been working from the real world. Especially given the fact that many of the survivors of the plane crash were given a ticket instead of choosing one for themselves. I thought it was so awesome to see Ethan in the real world. We had never seen that before. It feels like they're pushing the story forward instead of creating red herrings and piling on more crapy mysteries/questions just to keep the story going. I'm very satisfied with this episode. And for me, there were very few questions raised, and much more solid answers. It's been a long while since I felt like the story was going somewhere. And the fact that Juliet's flashback was the one that shed some light makes The Others a lot more interesting for me. For a while they were annoying and seemed to serve no purpose other than to torment innocent people. I'm just glad we're learning more about how they operate.

I agree with you that this episode wasn't amazing or anything, but I think most of the show's mystery lie in why The Others are who they are, and I feel like the show is going to start filling in some blanks as far as that goes. However, I hope we get to see more of the Losties next week!

LOSTbean

02-08-2007, 09:56 AM

when Juliette was talking to her sister and opened the drapes, we see a VERY low flying plane go by the window. anyone catch what airline that was? it was so low it kind of scared me.

wesb

02-08-2007, 10:13 AM

Jinger

02-08-2007, 10:21 AM

Seeing Ethan in the outside world was interesting, particualrly because he seemed able to get off the island while Ben apparently couldn't leave to get life-saving surgery. Could it be that...

a) They were able to leave three years prior, but no more?
b) The quarrantine is real, and Ben's carrying something that can't leave the island?
c) Ethan has some priveleges that Ben doesn't have, even in a life-threatening situation?

That was over 3 years ago, we don't know that Ethan was on the island prior to that, maybe he came for the first time when Juliet came. He may have been recruited and/or worked for them and shipped out with her.

when Juliette was talking to her sister and opened the drapes, we see a VERY low flying plane go by the window. anyone catch what airline that was? it was so low it kind of scared me.

It was Oceanic!!!!

I agree with you that this episode wasn't amazing or anything, but I think most of the show's mystery lie in why The Others are who they are, and I feel like the show is going to start filling in some blanks as far as that goes. However, I hope we get to see more of the Losties next week!

I originally was quoting your whole post because I agree with everything you said, it's like I may as well have written it myself!

dsheridan5

02-08-2007, 10:53 AM

Thanks Pearl. I knew that Sun was pregnant and that she had an affair and Jin was incable of getting her pregnant. I thought JulieM was thinking that Juliet has something to do with how Sun got pregnant.

susanarosa

02-08-2007, 11:41 AM

What I'm curious about is how come the island has seemed to heal both Locke and Rose (and maybe Jin's infertility) but it couldn't heal Ben's tumor?

Jinger

02-08-2007, 12:11 PM

What I'm curious about is how come the island has seemed to heal both Locke and Rose (and maybe Jin's infertility) but it couldn't heal Ben's tumor?

It could be attributed to the fact that he was born on the island so maybe the "healing" doesn't have an effect on him!?

And...I completely foghat to mention (unless someone else did and I missed it) - what about that x-ray that Juliet said looked like a 70 year old woman but was a 20 something!?!? Who could that have belonged to and why was the uterus so deteriorated. It was likely someone on the island, right? That will be interesting to find out the real reason they can't reproduce because now we kind of know the why if that is a common affliction to all the women on the island.

BSL

02-08-2007, 12:31 PM

It would have been more exciting if it wasn't the third time I've seen the ole - step in the street mid-sentence and get smacked by a bus routine. First on Felicity then on Nip/Tuck. Though, I love seeing the many ways this actor gets killed off shows - wasn't he the one smashed by a helicopter on ER - or am I confusing him with another bald meanie?

Thank YOU!!! Felicity did it first, then Mean Girls, then Nip/Tuck. :yawn: So cliche.

EdHill

02-08-2007, 12:34 PM

So glad my Lost is back.

what kind of whacked out scienetist tries to impregante male mice? Thats messed up. No woner teh otehrs loved her.

Did everyone get the Mittelos anagram?

And when Sawyer beat up danny he then jsut walked off! It was the perfect time for a catchphrase. He just beat up a bad guy AND gave him an electric shock. He could have said anything from “That was a shock to the system!” to “Always stay away from power lines!” to “Who is in charge now?” to “Shock! - Watch the monkey get hurt, monkey!” or even “I believe he has lost consciousness due to the repeated head trauma and electrical shock that he has just received!” OK, maybe not that last one so much. The point is, never let an opportunity to use a catchphrase pass you by.

chooch850

02-08-2007, 01:26 PM

I, at first, was disappointed that this episode had a Juliet flashback. It wasn't till after I watched it a second time with my son that I realized her importance to the others. I think that she was brought to the island to help a barren Dharma community. Whatever those shots were, that all had to take, did something. Remember, Juliet got a male mouse pregnant. It seems her sister had some form of cancer which directly affected her ability to get pregnant, but yet she did. I guess I'm stating the obvious. Makes ya wonder what's happened to her research in the past 3yrs. on the island and how it involves the kids. Maybe Carl will shed some lite on that, but he's probably tooo crazy now from his 'clockwork' treatment to tell much. Carl's not much older than Alex...where'd he come from ???? Who's kid is he. Maybe he's related to Alex and that's why Ben is so insistant on keeping them apart.
Yes, I wanna see my LOSTIES next week. I wanna know what happened to Sayid, Jin and Sun after they lost the boat. We were left hanging on that one. Overall, I'm glad LOST is back and now I have something to look forward to on Wed. besides 'Top Design'..... which was also good last nite, but that's a whole nother post.

chooch850

02-08-2007, 01:32 PM

..... and yes EdHill, I got the anagram.

basia.mille

02-08-2007, 02:31 PM

This might sound silly, but it hadn't donned on me until now. For some reason I always thought that Juliet is just gifted in her field because she can make someone fertile, but not only that... she can make someone fertile who shouldn't be. Yeah, I got the whole male rat thing... but to think that her sister didn't have a boyfriend/husband and yet still got pregnant is so bizzare that it just hadn't clicked. How in the world does that work?! What kind of stuff was that she was injecting in her sister? Could that be the "vaccine" that's been popping up?

sawsee5

02-08-2007, 02:53 PM

The scene of Juliet being shown the negatives of a 70 year old organs within a 26 year old, made me think of the book/movie, "Lost Horizons". The villagers did not age while living within their Shangrila, but aged once leaving.

Could the others be deterioriating inside, from a contaminant, or magnetic anomaly, but 'look' fine on the outside?

TinkerbellAPixie

02-08-2007, 03:49 PM

And...I completely foghat to mention (unless someone else did and I missed it) - what about that x-ray that Juliet said looked like a 70 year old woman but was a 20 something!?!? Who could that have belonged to and why was the uterus so deteriorated. It was likely someone on the island, right? That will be interesting to find out the real reason they can't reproduce because now we kind of know the why if that is a common affliction to all the women on the island.

I completely forgot about that too - and at the time I was definitely oohing and aahing.

Could the others be deterioriating inside, from a contaminant, or magnetic anomaly, but 'look' fine on the outside?

OOOH! So the woman has an old uterus, Ben has a tumor, Danielle has gone round the bend. Wonder what other illnesses will pop up.

See this is EXACTLY why I love this show. It gets us all wound up!

zoobabe

02-08-2007, 04:44 PM

you know- I don't get half of the things on this show until I read this board.

Thanks guys!:D

what is the anagram? help please?

TinkerbellAPixie

02-08-2007, 04:55 PM

Did everyone get the Mittelos anagram?

M i t t e l o s

Lost time

HoneyBunny

02-08-2007, 05:03 PM

M i t t e l o s
Lost time

you sure it's not 'slime tot'?

hb

EdHill

02-08-2007, 06:07 PM

There are several, just from "Mittelos" alone.

Lost Time is the most popular.
Time Slot is my fave.
It Lost Me is also popular.

Given how many posibilities (Several more that I've seen but can't remember are floating around on some of the other "Lost" boards) there are just from "Mittelos" I'm wondering if maybe there's one that all the wordsmiths on the boards are all missing, buried in one or both of those quotes that flashed up in front of Karl.

:confused1:

Yes but coupled with the Other reading Hawkings book, it makes me think its Lost time. The electromagnetic field is the key. Notice ever since it dissipated desmond, who was at ground zero and hit the button to dissipate it, can now see the future.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-08-2007, 06:13 PM

Yes but coupled with the Other reading Hawkings book, it makes me think its Lost time. The electromagnetic field is the key. Notice ever since it dissipated desmond, who was at ground zero and hit the button to dissipate it, can now see the future.

Yay I got it right! What do I win?

Pekmboyd

02-08-2007, 06:50 PM

There's little doubt that "Lost Time" is the quote and like EdHill said, the fact that Aldo the dopey Stormtrooper is reading A Brief History of Time and making pencil notations in the soggy margins probably seals the deal.

It's just so flippin' obvious.

I keep thinking that the writers are going to throw in a quote about an anagram and actually give us a tool that CREATES LEVERS that the fans can use to pry open the story.

"Creates Levers" is an anagram for "Reveal Secrets".

See what I mean? I'm not even remotely good at making up anagrams but I could cobble that together to make the point.

Can't these guys come up with something better than a made up company name that just barely disguises the anagram and its intent? Something that actually moves our understanding of the story forward would be nice.
:confused1:

As for Desmond, I don't think his ability to see ahead in time is actually tied to the implosion of the hatch. We shall see.:detective:

I haven't watched the episode yet, but doesn't "lost time" and the partial comment about "when the sky turned purple" mean that maybe there was a time warp during the whole magnet/hatch/purple sky thing?

basia.mille

02-08-2007, 07:01 PM

I kind of hate to get into The Lost Experience crap because it seems so complicated, but didn't the Hanzo foundation do experiments on that orangatang so that he'd live an unnaturally long life?

t-bag

02-08-2007, 07:29 PM

You guys are all stupid. The anagram is obviously "Tit moles".

sawsee5

02-08-2007, 07:39 PM

So what happened to Juliet, to change her from a "messed up, non-leader" to lethal weapon 3?

Was she subjected to a full dose of Karl's unfinished requiem? Is this 'Clockwork Orange' trip, the first step for all 'guests'? Why does Alex seem to have 'free will'? Did psuedo-daddy not want to give her the full mind warp?

sawsee5

02-08-2007, 07:51 PM

Is it me, or would a leading edge Doctor want to perform experimental procedures on another, that just happens to be suffering from cancer? Wouldn't a pregnancy put added stress on an already weakened patient? It just seems so irresponsible, with tinges of disrespect for her own sister!

Juliet mentioned about the lit candles but was there any real concern there; or was it more of an observation?

Maybe our dear Juliet is 'bad to the bone', and coerced her own sister for her own selfish means?

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 08:21 AM

GB! LOL! Yes, I can see Ben as a stage actor!

I just checked out the Mittelos website, and in the bio for Ethan Rom, it states that Ethan has a PHD and is an authority on genetics and genome mapping. My question is: Why would Ben send this well-educated scientist to run and check out the Losties? It just seems like a misuse of manpower.

Is Ben just a bad manager, or are the Others running out of good help?

pearlblackdragon

02-09-2007, 08:24 AM

My question is: Why would Ben send this well-educated scientist to run and check out the Losties? It just seems like a misuse of manpower.

Is Ben just a bad manager, or are the Others running out of good help?

:lol: Best question about Lost.....

wesb

02-09-2007, 08:53 AM

Why would Ben send this well-educated scientist to run and check out the Losties? It just seems like a misuse of manpower.

Is Ben just a bad manager, or are the Others running out of good help?

Hi, sawswee!

I've noticed a significant difference betwen the people Ben sends out on the island to do remote business and those kept around home to do the chores. Those kept close to home are more brutal and have little self-control (Think Pickett & his ilk). Those sent out have a lot of self control. (Even Mr. Friendly, when Michael spat in his face, just smiled and said he wouldn't hold it against him because he took Walt.) Ethan, speaking to Claire in the medical hatch expounded on how they were a WONderful family... almost as if it were a mantra or if he were trying to reinforce it in his own mind. Ms. Klugh, when Michael asked why the Others couldn't go out themselves to kidnap Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley, simply said they couldn't do that. (Why?)

I'm wondering if some highly developed self-control isn't somehow necessary to go out onto much of the island. Perhaps those sent out into the smoke cloud's "territory" need some healthy control over their emotions, or Smokey will give them the "Eko treatment." Our Heroes may yet be given a little more time to get their acts together, although Eko's dying words to Locke were something like, "You're next..."

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 09:58 AM

Hey GB! I actually made a few audible chuckles reading your recap (Ben on the table for 3 months; Hurley look-a-like!). Great stuff!

Hi Wesb! Once again you always 'clear the smoke' and provide valuable insights! Thanks!

If the Mittelos site is a 'fan site' then I am amazed! There is a lot of content on there: The map of the Islands (yes, plural) including 3 labelled with descriptions: "Indoctrination facility"; "Observation Island"; Casamir Studies.
Then there was the link to Rachel's video with a hard-to hear distorted voice warning Juliet...

If it is a fan site, then congrats! If not, then it's worth a look-see...

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 10:05 AM

I see I have moved up in the pecking order from Bloody Donkey to 'Fresh Meat'. I hope that is a good thing!

Although to me, a 'Bloody donkey' implies a donkey with 'free will' --not a bad thing if I'm the willful donkey, but 'fresh meat' sounds like the-end-of-the-road or 'on the chopping block'. Not quite as good...

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 10:21 AM

I see I have moved up in the pecking order from Bloody Donkey to 'Fresh Meat'. I hope that is a good thing!

IT's a great thing - it means your moving up in the forums world. And we are delighted to have you here. See - yet ANOTHER great thing about Lost, it brings out newbies who are just as into this show as we are and analyzie the show and...

Although to me, a 'Bloody donkey' implies a donkey with 'free will' --not a bad thing if I'm the willful donkey, but 'fresh meat' sounds like the-end-of-the-road or 'on the chopping block'. Not quite as good...

Our levels....with equal intellect and though. Just keep posting and see what you become next!

wesb

02-09-2007, 10:32 AM

I suppose I don't mind being "fresh meat" too much, though if I end up getting cooked at some time, it could become uncomfortable...

pearlblackdragon

02-09-2007, 10:39 AM

Fresh meat makes me feel like I'm about to meet my cell mate, Bubba.
:scared:

Wait a minute...he hasn't arrived yet??? Stupid postal system.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 10:46 AM

Thanks Sawsee!
I too have graduated from Bloody Donkey to Fresh Meat.
I too think I prefered the Bloody Donkey designation.

Fresh meat makes me feel like I'm about to meet my cell mate, Bubba.
:scared:

If your post count hits 30 your designation will change from Fresh Meat. ;)

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 11:16 AM

Ok, here's a strange thought...

We have two sets of negatives:
1) one of Ben's tumor
2) one of an age-accelerated uterus (from an earlier, failed experiment??)

Couple that (bad choice of words) with Juliet's ability to impregnate a male
and Rachel's cancer-like condition. Mix, stir...let settle...

Was Ben trying to get pregnant, artificially by julie's expertise and instead the injections induced the tumor, as it may have with Rachel??

susanarosa

02-09-2007, 11:21 AM

Was Ben trying to get pregnant, artificially by julie's expertise and instead the injections induced the tumor, as it may have with Rachel??

Ummm... ew!

But a fantastic theory!

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 11:37 AM

Ok, so I'm joining the ranks and becoming a Bloody Donkey!! :w00t:

I am surprised that Tom (aka Mr. Friendly) is starting to become a nice guy! I mean, he has taken a turn and I could almost say he does seem like a "good guy."

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 11:38 AM

Thanks Susanrosa! Yes, ....ewww!

I've been flitting around the net and a few items stand out:

Why would Rachel's apartment hallway be so dingy? When Juliet opened the curtains, she revealed a very nice setting, apparently overlooking Miami. The dramatic setting and apartment does not tie into the creepy hallway?

Yes, GB, I did notice the Dharma looking clock in Rachel's bedroom. I assume it was a transmitter of some sort, allowing Ethan and friends to listen & peak in...

I'll have to watch the episode again, but to my memory Ethan had no other doorway to be coming from, other than Rachel's??

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 12:02 PM

There was a Richard Alpert that spoke at Esalen--a very interesting place!

"Esalen is dedicated to exploring work in the humanities and sciences that furthers the full realization of what Aldous Huxley called the 'human potential'."

Esalen is located near the "Santa Lucia Mountains." Ana Lucia??

wesb

02-09-2007, 12:06 PM

Hi, C4L!
Looks like most of the EW gang has followed GB here, now that he's doing the recaps (and a fantastic job, I might add...)

My eyebrows went up 6 or 8 inches when "Tom" tried to be social. I guess they don't call him Mr. Friendly for nothing...

Seriously, I get the impression that now that we're seeing Ben's Gang from the inside, the writers are trying to give us a different impression of them. I don't see the "changing impression" thing done much on TV; Babylon 5 being the only good example that comes to mind. But I've read several books where it's done effectively (the fabulous "Caine Mutiny" stands out, there) and it creates a real "wow" when we look back at how far the story's progressed since it began.

t-bag

02-09-2007, 12:30 PM

In this awkward moment, Tom is just trying to fill the silence. The writers may have just dropped in a "slice of life" moment. We've all had them. You know, you run into your ex, tension mounts, nobody says anything so you ask how her dog is doing, or something equally innane.

Just a thought.

I don't know what you're talking about. When I run into my ex, all I talk about is how much money I'm making and how much ass I'm getting.

wesb

02-09-2007, 12:39 PM

That's a _good_ point, GB. In some awkward, painful, or difficult moments, the humanity may come out of all of us; even those who never seemed all that human... When, right before going into surgery, Ben asked if Alex had asked about him, that was probably another humanizing moment (as well as a HUGE clue...)

Yet I'm suspecting that these humanizing moments are one of the plot devices that the writers will apply to us to soften our opinions of Ben's Gang. I mean, when we can feel sadness and loss when the smoke cloud kills a man who was a drug lord, impostor, and brutal murderer, we see that the writers know how to rearrange our emotions. If they did it once, they can do it again. I'm betting that once we learn what Ben's Gang is really trying to _do_ on the island, it'll even be something important and worth doing.

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 12:40 PM

Hi C4L!

Mr. Friendly's portrayal in the earlier episodes, contrast to Wednesdays.

Judging by his new demeanour, he doesn't appear likely to take over the reigns while Ben is recovering. Juliet seemed to be an obvious temp. replacement, until Jack let the cat out of the bag revealing she had (falsely?) plotted against Ben.

So, will 'Patchy' emerge as the real leader, and if so, what will happen when Ben is back on his feet?

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 12:47 PM

Hey GB! A very moving story.

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 01:23 PM

Hello wesb, GB, and sawsee, thanks for the warm welcome!!

I know we will eventually find out what effect the purple sky had, but darn it, I was frustrated when Tom got interrupted and didn't finish that sentence!! :glare:

GB, I've always got a sandwich ready and waiting for you!!! :winkiss:

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 01:39 PM

i agree, c4l...when you think of the tom on the boat that took walt from the raft, or the tom who lectured jack, sawyer, and locke about the island being their island and they let them live on it, seems totally different from the cordial, mild mannered, hemophobic guy we saw in the operating room. but, he did make me laugh because i thought back to hurley when jack was treating the marshall and he fainted at the sight of blood. i was waiting for ol' tom to collapse right there on conscious ben!:sleep:

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 01:47 PM

GB-i hear that theatre glue can wreck havok on your mood! :confused: LOL!

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 02:05 PM

Ok, I don't want to sound too greedy or elitist but I just noticed that my post number is not increasing! I noticed the same with LostBean's and Greybishop's numbers too!

Does the number only increase when something meaningful is posted? If so, I will probably end of being a donkey again.

Lostbean! I like your idea how the theatrical glue may have been giving Mr. Friendly a bad buzz!

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 02:16 PM

HEY!!!!!!!!!!! i want my freakin' "points!" oops-sorry...theatre glue got the best of me again. but, i want credit for my posts cuz the donkey look ain't my best look! :cool:

Jinger

02-09-2007, 02:17 PM

It doesn't number each post, it just updates on your profile for any and all posts you have....next one you do will be one number higher on anything you posted.

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 02:39 PM

Thanks Jinger!

And I must apologize to Lostbean too! Sorry for getting all 'point crazy'...it must have been all that talk about theatrical glue/spirits! Got me all woozey...

I guess the points aren't tied into any airmile reward program...just kidding! :p

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 02:45 PM

points are points to me...i always want to win!!!!! i want the most points! LOL! ;) but, i see i am not of the donkey status anymore, so it's all good. happy friday, all!

campfiregirl

02-09-2007, 02:49 PM

I guess the points aren't tied into any airmile reward program...just kidding! :p

We have a wonderful reward program with Oceanic Air.:D

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 02:53 PM

We have a wonderful reward program with Oceanic Air.:D

campfiregirl...now THAT was funny! total LOL on that one.:thumbup:

Lady-in-Gray

02-09-2007, 02:56 PM

...and would that be an all expenses paid vacation on a tropical island?

campfiregirl

02-09-2007, 02:58 PM

Free Health Care.

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 03:02 PM

just one minor detail...it's a one way ticket...

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 03:06 PM

We have a wonderful reward program with Oceanic Air.:D

Lol! Hi Lady!

I just hope the flights don't only offer those puny packages of peanuts. I would much prefer a gallon tub of peanut butter with a generous serving of Dharma cornflakes! MMmmmmmm!

Lady-in-Gray

02-09-2007, 03:07 PM

... and more adventure than you could possibly imagine!

Lady-in-Gray

02-09-2007, 03:12 PM

:D Hey, Sawsee, Beaner and Campfire girl! How's it going today?

Lady-in-Gray

02-09-2007, 03:15 PM

...and hey to you, too, GB! Just trying to figure out this fancy new board and work my way out of Bloody Donkey territory.

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 03:21 PM

...and hey to you, too, GB! Just trying to figure out this fancy new board and work my way out of Bloody Donkey territory.

I never thought I would say this to you Lady but... congrats for reaching Fresh Meat!

Lady-in-Gray

02-09-2007, 03:24 PM

I never thought I would say this to you Lady but... congrats for reaching Fresh Meat!

:D ... so, now we can have some fresh meat with those beets that you were trying to sell us on last summer!

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 03:32 PM

I mean, when we can feel sadness and loss when the smoke cloud kills a man who was a drug lord, impostor, and brutal murderer, we see that the writers know how to rearrange our emotions. If they did it once, they can do it again.

Actually - Eko started out as good in our eyes. He wasn't a drug lord to us at first. He was he kind man who saved most of the tailies from the water. He then buried those that did not survive. So in the eyes of the viewer he had a kind introduction before we saw the horrors of his past.

when you think of the tom on the boat that took walt from the raft, or the tom who lectured jack, sawyer, and locke about the island being their island and they let them live on it,

Now that we know there is more than one island - his comment about the losties living on his island is less appropo.

...and hey to you, too, GB! Just trying to figure out this fancy new board and work my way out of Bloody Donkey territory.

Welcome to our fancy boards - if you have any questions just ask and we will be happy to show you the ropes. Will there be many more of you joining us? I'd like to be sure we have enough refreshments and seats. :)

pearlblackdragon

02-09-2007, 03:33 PM

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 03:35 PM

Greybishop, LOSTbean, sawsee5, Lady-in-Gray, wesb, Crazy4Lost......
I am SO excited that so many people decided to join the forii. I would like to extend a warm welcome to all of our new targets....er...ah...not meant for any kind of torture new friends :whistling:

Actually - now that I think about it. It's like we were all here on TVGasm island until these kind folks crashed into our boards.

Should we kidnap a few of them to see what they are up to? I can load the cage with fish bisquits.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 03:54 PM

This posse of newcomers responds better to offers of sandwiches than fish biscuits.

Not sure the sammiches would keep in the device.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 04:04 PM

Tink, Tink, Tink. You gotta wrap your sandwiches!
:huh:

Grey, darling, you are starting to be a high maintenance captive. :p

Lady-in-Gray

02-09-2007, 04:36 PM

:) Hi, Tinkerbell and Pearl! Thanks for the welcome. I'm afraid that your new recap writer comes with groupies. I hope you don't mind our crashing your board. We're really a nice bunch of folks when you get to know us. We'll try hard not to step on anyone's toes.

We are BIG Greybishop fans. You'll learn to love him too.:thumbup:

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 04:51 PM

well, i wrote this big response to tink and dragon re. welcoming a bunch of GB fans, but it went missing. so, tink and dragon, thanks for the warm welcome. we all got close last summer after LOST took a hiatus, and we all migrated here when GB got picked to write LOST recaps. the man has SO much talent...it is crazy. the EW recap stunk in comparison to his (and i used to LIVE for EW recaps, so this is not some biased GB plug) and i am SO excited his is recapping here.

as far as subway/sandwiches go, think of what frustrated single folks talk about. if anyone wants to post their e-mail address, i'll let you share in the HILARIOUS subway conversation from this summer.

LOSTbean

02-09-2007, 05:01 PM

yes, GB....we single folks think about LOST and, in addition, being caught in a net. LOL!

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 05:05 PM

so, tink and dragon, thanks for the warm welcome. we all got close last summer after LOST took a hiatus, and we all migrated here when GB got picked to write LOST recaps.

Well we are glad to have you here - we are definitely of the mindset "The more the merrier" plus we have a shortage of men - so if you have men, bring em on over!

Now let me be a proper hostess, you've all found the Lost thread, we have threads on other shows as well, and if we are missing something, feel free to add your own. We have a chatroom (http://forums.tvgasm.com/showthread.php?t=152) (just hang a message to let people know you are going in and you won't be alone long), you can send private messages, you can send emails to folks, you can tag the people you like to follow (it's very stalker friendly), we have a two-drink minimum and every Tuesday is Lady's night.

We have a thread where you can introduce yoursel (http://forums.tvgasm.com/showthread.php?t=15)f, another where you can explain your screen name (http://forums.tvgasm.com/showthread.php?t=146), we have places where you can whine, or celebrate, or just talk about commercials. You name it - we have it. Feel free to take a walk through the boards and check it all out.

If there is anything else you have questions about just holler!

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 05:33 PM

Tinkerbell & Dragon, thanks for the welcome!!! As Lady said, we are Greybishop groupies AND alot of them are men!! Just for the record, I'm a female.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Tinkerbell & Dragon, thanks for the welcome!!! As Lady said, we are Greybishop groupies AND alot of them are men!! Just for the record, I'm a female.

Hey - I understand how it is - we are all J-Unit and B-Side groupies. You should check them out- they are pretty wonderful writers.

zoobabe

02-09-2007, 06:02 PM

welcome to all the new Lost/Greybishop fans! I'll need your help to understand this show as I'm always too involved in the action/drama to find the hidden clues.

it was a good recap Greybishop. Congrats on the win!:)

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 06:21 PM

Guys, you know I didn't mean that in a bad way! GB was an innocent, don't make him pay!

Really, our group that has migrated here, especially the guys, are super intellectual and to be honest, they love this show and love looking into all the possible connections to everything, very analytical!!

Everyone here seems great and I appreciate all the welcoming from you all that have been here for so long! Really, really nice!!

Tinkerbell, you and I reside in the same state!

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 06:22 PM

GB - Did you see zoobabe's quote? Very cool!!

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 06:23 PM

Tinkerbell, you and I reside in the same state!

Ooh wherebouts are you?

pearlblackdragon

02-09-2007, 06:37 PM

Actually - now that I think about it. It's like we were all here on TVGasm island until these kind folks crashed into our boards.

Should we kidnap a few of them to see what they are up to? I can load the cage with fish biscuits.

No Tink we can't do that, they just happened here by accident. See new people, we are on your side.

(We'll get them when they are sleeping)(Hope they don't find the hatches)(Good thing they brought men....we need to repopulate)(Oh yeah, don't use the good fish biscuits, I like them in the morning with my coffee)

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 06:40 PM

Tinkerbell, Pearl, Zoobabe! Thanks for all the warm welcomes!

Gee... I think today has been a day of firsts!

A First to say "Fresh Meat" to a Lady.

And a First to admit I am a male that packed up his bags (bad choice of words) to follow Greybishop. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but any hints of groupiedom is STRICTLY professional. :blush:

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 06:40 PM

Ooh wherebouts are you?

I'm in Panama City

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 06:43 PM

but any hints of groupiedom is STRICTLY professional. :blush:

sawsee - Too funny!! :thumbup1:

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 06:43 PM

I'm in Panama City

OOH you're way up and over THERE!!

Howdy Neighbor! :blushing:

Crazy4Lost

02-09-2007, 06:46 PM

OOH you're way up and over THERE!!

Howdy Neighbor! :blushing:

Just 5 hours or so away. Compared to a lot of GB's groupies, you and I are relatively close!!

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 06:53 PM

Just 5 hours or so away. Compared to a lot of GB's groupies, you and I are relatively close!!

We have some other gasmers in Florida, Firecat is in Orlando (like me) and Minda is in South Florida. We could have a TVGasm Florida Happy Hour - but someone would be stuck with a helluva long ride.

sawsee5

02-09-2007, 07:16 PM

It is SUCH a good thing I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read that.
Oh, man.
I don't "LOL" very often, but damn!
:lol:

And just to qualify the use of the word 'professional', before anyone misconstrues my statement.

The word 'professional' may make some believe that my involvement as a 'gber' involves the passing of money. Let me make this perfectly clear, no money has passed between Greybishop and myself. If money were to pass, it would be for the purchase of books. Innocent books that are well written. :thumbup:

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 07:20 PM

And just to qualify the use of the word 'professional', before anyone misconstrues my statement.

The word 'professional' may make some believe that my involvement as a 'gber' involves the passing of money. Let me make this perfectly clear, no money has passed between Greybishop and myself. If money were to pass, it would be for the purchase of books. Innocent books that are well written. :thumbup:

Methinks he doth protest too much... :glare:

TinkerbellAPixie

02-09-2007, 07:33 PM

I'm stayin' out of this one.:whistling:

Too late - you just stuck your nose in......why not stick your nose in chat (http://forums.tvgasm.com/chat/flashchat.php), while you're at it. :o

t-bag

02-09-2007, 08:23 PM

No offense to all the GB "groupies", but when I picture you all in my head, I see the dwarves from The Hobbit. Not because I think you're all short or anything. In fact, I'm not sure why I picture them. Although maybe it has something to do with the fact that I left for work and when I came back there were, like, 10 pages added to this thread. So it's either dwarves or a group of chattering squirrels. Feel free to mentally associate me with a mythical/anthropomorphic creature in return. Might I suggest a noble centaur or a delightful dryad?

I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. Point is: welcome. And now that you're all here, you've agreed to the unwritten contract that you must try to watch every show on television so you can discuss anything and everything with us. Once I joined, the number of TV shows I watched nearly doubled, sad as that is. It's time you all do the same.

campfiregirl

02-10-2007, 06:06 AM

Way to go t-bag alienating our new guests calling them dwarves or squirrels. My apologies for him he is very young and has a wonderful ability to piss people off. There are times I like him and times I'd like to throttle him.:D

But anyhoo, Welcome to all. We have a nice place here (other than t-bag) and
love hearing from all. If we aren't talking about a show you like open up a thread, chances are someone else is watching it too.

Don't worry about those titles under the post count. We all had them, and made it thru. And remember get enough posts and they can be turned in for a lovely one way trip on Oceanic Air.:D

Crazy4Lost

02-10-2007, 06:35 AM

Greybishop said: I'm the richer for knowing them.

I say: Ditto!

GB - you are the glue ----- but not that Dharma beard stuff!! ;)

LOSTbean

02-10-2007, 10:14 AM

GB certainly is richer from knowing us...look how many sarcasm shirts we've bought! :p and books-we've bought books from his bookstore!

as for glue, kate's black horse better sleep with one eye open. unless glue is included in the dharma drops, it could be lights out for the black stallion. :eek:

oh, and i am a chick too. darn it all...where is the blog site with 8 bazillion guys and like 2 girls. then again...maybe i don't want to know... :confused1:

oh, and t-bag...i am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt based on tink's belief in you, but let me say this...we took down a HORSE over at the EW site, so even tho we may be squirrels, we are mighty. there is strength in numbers.

sawsee5

02-10-2007, 10:43 AM

Methinks he doth protest too much... :glare:

Oooops! I guess my entrance onto 'gasm has brought forth the wrath of Tinker! Not sure if it was my point 'protest', 'name level' or clarification of my hetero status (or all of the above) that caused this, but I was just 'funnin'.

sawsee5

02-10-2007, 10:53 AM

I am beginning to think that Kate's wrist lacerations were caused when she was brought into the Clockwork Orange room. It will be interesting to see if she has had any post-hypnotic suggestions implanted.

Many 'suggestions' are triggered, when the subject hears or sees a certain thing, person or event. This 'suggestion' may explain how Juliet can be sensitive and compassionate one moment and then cool and calm as she blasts Danny/Sawyer.

pearlblackdragon

02-10-2007, 01:22 PM

t-bag

02-10-2007, 03:31 PM

Hey, hey, hey, ya'lls. I was just kidding! I told you to feel free to associate me with something in return. As long as it's not Claire (LOST REFERENCE!!!).

And as for Kate's wrist thing, I thought for sure she was raped, but now that we've gotten to know the Others, I think that's a little beneath them. Would Hannibal Lecter rape someone? Never. He's far too classy of a madman. Same goes for Benny and pals.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 04:08 PM

Let me know when you get to one of those times. You can borrow any of my power tools for as long as you need them...

If I didn't like you before (which I did) this statement would totally make me like ya now!

oh, and t-bag...i am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt based on tink's belief in you

Um... I have belief in him? lol I keed, I keed... :p

Oooops! I guess my entrance onto 'gasm has brought forth the wrath of Tinker! Not sure if it was my point 'protest', 'name level' or clarification of my hetero status (or all of the above) that caused this, but I was just 'funnin'.

Whoa, wrath?- not at all, I was joking. Am I really coming across as wrathful? :(

I was just teasing, I thought we'd gotten to that point in our online relationship where I could tease you. Too soon? :unsure2:

:(

sawsee5

02-10-2007, 04:27 PM

Whoa, wrath?- not at all, I was joking. Am I really coming across as wrathful? :(

I was just teasing, I thought we'd gotten to that point in our online relationship where I could tease you. Too soon? :unsure2:

:(

I guess I better take off my marshmallow hat...it dents too easy!

Ok, I'm back on my feet and the dizziness is gone! Time for some wine! :thumbup:

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 04:30 PM

Phew!

We tease here - possibly too much.:coolshades:

I promise to be kinder and gentler if you promise to always read me as if I were smiling when I wrote whatever I wrote? :blushing:

Deal? :o

campfiregirl

02-10-2007, 04:34 PM

I guess I better take off my marshmallow hat...it dents too easy!

Ok, I'm back on my feet and the dizziness is gone! Time for some wine! :thumbup:

Wine? You'll fit right in.:D

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 04:35 PM

Wine? You'll fit right in.:D

I was thinking the same thing - should we bump the wine thread?

campfiregirl

02-10-2007, 04:37 PM

We should at least let them know where it's at.:D

jampony

02-10-2007, 04:41 PM

How about we bump mutual masturbation (http://forums.tvgasm.com/showthread.php?t=536&highlight=mutual+masturbation) instead? What the hell has happened to my Lost thread?!?

(you need to read that as if Andre is is asking where his chiffon is, otherwise it'll sound like I'm truly angry and I'm really only mildly ticked off)

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 04:43 PM

(you need to read that as if Andre is is asking where his chiffon is, otherwise it'll sound like I'm truly angry and I'm really only mildly ticked off)

Wow Jamp, you do a really good impersonation of Santino's impersonation of Tim Gunn.

sawsee5

02-10-2007, 04:44 PM

:p We should at least let them know where it's at.:D

I've always wanted to know where it's at! I wonder if I squint too much, or maybe I got cork in my eye?

campfiregirl

02-10-2007, 04:49 PM

We do have a Drunken/Angry Posting/Emailing thread... best used on those nights when you've had a few too many. We may also have a thread from way back discussing white vs. red.:D

Jampony got her panties in a twist because we aren't discussing Lost so...

Is Kate an other?

Pekmboyd

02-10-2007, 04:57 PM

WHOA!! New people? I'm really not sure I can handle this kind of sudden change.

sawsee5

02-10-2007, 04:58 PM

Another Other?

I think there is a very good possiblity that Kate was in Room 23 too.

I know she has been in a very stressful situation, watching Sawyer about to be shot and possibly leaving Dear Jack behind, but is her hysteria kind of out of character?

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 05:00 PM

I know she has been in a very stressful situation, watching Sawyer about to be shot and possibly leaving Dear Jack behind, but is her hysteria kind of out of character?

I think her hysteria was justified. That guy (was it Danny?) was clearly out of his gourd and when he was looking ready to execute Sawyer - heck I'd be losing it too!

sawsee5

02-10-2007, 05:34 PM

I think her hysteria was justified. That guy (was it Danny?) was clearly out of his gourd and when he was looking ready to execute Sawyer - heck I'd be losing it too!

I totally agree, that a 'normal' person would react in the way she did.

We have seen Kate in very stressful circumstances--the bank robbery--and she seemed very much under control. I'm just wondering if, she indeed has been indoctrinated in Rm. 23, her reactions are now out of her control.

Juliet persona went from sensitive, in Miami, to cold and calculating on the Island. Has Kate now transformed from cold and calculating to Sensitive?

(Removing my marshmallow hat...)

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 08:04 PM

No problem!
:rolleyes2:

When someone takes the time to support me, I always have their back.

I probably should have warned T-bag that there really is a reason that I sell custom made
Greybishop's Books Official Sarcasm Shirts
at my bookstore.

And hey, he did ask...

I nominate that post for best headswap. Is it too late to get him a TVGasm mug?

Grey - I'm starting to fall for you!:blushing:

Crazy4Lost

02-10-2007, 09:47 PM

Grey - I'm starting to fall for you!:blushing:

Tink, you have been sweet to all of us, but I believe I have to draw a line...'cause those are fightin' words! :2guns:

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 09:53 PM

Tink, you have been sweet to all of us, but I believe I have to draw a line...'cause those are fightin' words! :2guns:

I can fight ya ..if necessary..... you DO realize I'm a moderator here with all the powers that comes with that title. :cool:

:sneaky:

TinkerbellAPixie

02-10-2007, 11:04 PM

Um...
I'm flattered.
A little scared, but flattered.

Let me be clear here. If you two are gonna get all :sneaky: and :glare: with each other, there are rules and it has to be done properly.

I'm boiling the water as we speak. The jello should be ready this time tomorrow.

(psst - it's SO obvious these two have never actually met me. They'd have a Laurel and Hardy moment trying to beat each other out the door...)

Tink - No using your authority to beat up C4L!
C4L - No...um...um...
Ok, so you have no authority around here, so I got nuthin'. Just try not to cause an incident. We just got here...

Oh, boy.

Man. All I wanted to do was to make fun of T-bag.

Somehow, I feel so much sympathy for Kate right now.

'night all...

b-b-b-but, she started it.... she pulled guns on me.... :(

(keep making fun of t-bag tho, I think I'm gonna use your photo as my new wallpaper)

campfiregirl

02-10-2007, 11:11 PM

As the on official lost thread moniter I must say that any wrassling must be tested... T-Bag get yourself or here...

Please understand this is a site deadicated to snarkiness and fun. Just because we have now love your re-capper just as much as you do, don't hate us. I'm sure he is loving it. :D

So the jello tournament can resume: Who wants to take on t-bag:D

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 05:10 AM

kate in room 23...hmmm. well, we don't know how much time passed between breakfast at benry's and her being brought to the cage, but it couldn't have been too much time (we all know how slowly time goes on this island!!!)-maybe a day at the most. so, that said, how much brainwashing can occur in such a short time? but, her wrists certainly indicate she was struggling to get away from something.

oh, and just a thought...if karl hadn't tried to escape from his cage, thus being checked into mind melt mansion, would kate have shared the cage with him?

Crazy4Lost

02-11-2007, 06:06 AM

b-b-b-but, she started it.... she pulled guns on me.... :(

(keep making fun of t-bag tho, I think I'm gonna use your photo as my new wallpaper)

My gun was loaded with cherry jello. I was going to let you pick your weapon, jello or chocolate pudding!!

Um...
I'm flattered.
A little scared, but flattered.

Let me be clear here. If you two are gonna get all :sneaky: and :glare: with each other, there are rules and it has to be done properly.

I'm boiling the water as we speak. The jello should be ready this time tomorrow.

(psst - it's SO obvious these two have never actually met me. They'd have a Laurel and Hardy moment trying to beat each other out the door...)

Tink - No using your authority to beat up C4L!
C4L - No...um...um...
Ok, so you have no authority around here, so I got nuthin'. Just try not to cause an incident. We just got here...

Oh, boy.

Man. All I wanted to do was to make fun of T-bag.

Somehow, I feel so much sympathy for Kate right now.

'night all...

GB - you know me so well, you knew I'd pick jello!!! :wub:

Bottom line, Tinkerbell, can't blame you for taking a shining to GB, he's a loveable guy!! Truce?

pearlblackdragon

02-11-2007, 07:27 AM

Kate in room 23...hmmm. well, we don't know how much time passed between breakfast at Benry's and her being brought to the cage, but it couldn't have been too much time (we all know how slowly time goes on this island!!!)-maybe a day at the most. so, that said, how much brainwashing can occur in such a short time? but, her wrists certainly indicate she was struggling to get away from something.

oh, and just a thought...if Karl hadn't tried to escape from his cage, thus being checked into mind melt mansion, would Kate have shared the cage with him?

Benry told her(Kate) to be prepared for the next two weeks......BUT I am still not sure that she was in room 23. The more I think about it the more I wonder....was she impregnated? And not by rape. They need babies apparently and Kate is a healthy female.....Plus with a geneticist on the island who perfected the art of pregnancy by needle....Maybe they told Kate what they were doing and she fought against it (she isn't the most compliant human on the planet).

WOW!!! I am hardly ever on topic.......BEER....SQUIDWARD....ELEPHANTS....whew ....much better.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 07:36 AM

:p My gun was loaded with cherry jello. I was going to let you pick your weapon, jello or chocolate pudding!!

GB - you know me so well, you knew I'd pick jello!!! :wub:

Bottom line, Tinkerbell, can't blame you for taking a shining to GB, he's a loveable guy!! Truce?

Um... ok - truce. No more guns. Guns are mean. I can go for waterballoon warfare and fill it with the liquid of your choice. But guns.... :thumbdown:

And if you don't want us gasmers to take a shine to your fella - tell him to stop being cute. I mean look at how well we did that with t-bag.

I wonder....was she impregnated? And not by rape. They need babies apparently and Kate is a healthy female.....Plus with a geneticist on the island who perfected the art of pregnancy by needle....Maybe they told Kate what they were doing and she fought against it (she isn't the most compliant human on the planet).

OOOH do you think that Kate having sex with Sawyer played into that? Like that would be the PERFECT time to grab her and knock her up cuz she would attribute it to her cage nookie?

WOW!!! I am hardly ever on topic.......BEER....SQUIDWARD....ELEPHANTS....whew ....much better.

Beer is alcohol and isn't alcohol ALWAYS on topic at TVGasm?

pearlblackdragon

02-11-2007, 07:44 AM

OOOH do you think that Kate having sex with Sawyer played into that? Like that would be the PERFECT time to grab her and knock her up cuz she would attribute it to her cage nookie?

I don't think they grabbed her then...I think they did it before. But if she doesn't want anyone to know what happened, maybe she nookied Sawyer to have a cover story for being knocked up. Oh dammit!!!
Bicycles....snow....Mickey Mantle......

Crazy4Lost

02-11-2007, 07:48 AM

:p

Um... ok - truce. No more guns. Guns are mean. I can go for waterballoon warfare and fill it with the liquid of your choice. But guns.... :thumbdown:

Beer is alcohol and isn't alcohol ALWAYS on topic at TVGasm?

Um, I guess I didn't see the smiley that drops a waterballoon....

Alcohol for everyone, we should all get along!!! I use to bartend, so I'm ready to fix anyone a libation of choice!! :clap:

t-bag

02-11-2007, 07:48 AM

Please. No one's beaten me. You'll rue the day you copied and pasted my face to an ass. But when? That's the real question. Good luck sleeping...

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 08:29 AM

GB-ironic you chose t-bag's face to go on a mule and not a HORSE! but, heck, same family, right? i wonder if t-bag knows HORSE.

Here's a thought on the impregnating thing...if Juliette is smart enough to develop a drug that can get you pregnant by simply injecting it into your abdomen, why doesn't she alter it so it causes women (or male rats) to birth more than one child, thus cutting down on the need to capture women or steal children?

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 08:42 AM

My favourite!

Remember, I get to referee any Jello wrestiling between the ladies.
:drool:

Ok now you're starting to creep me out a little. :unsure:

zoobabe

02-11-2007, 08:47 AM

I was thinking that the picture was fair turnabout after the dwarves and squirells comments. It was my intent to put it out there, have a good laugh and shake hands with you.

Buuuut...

Riiiiiight.

First of all, your face almost pasted itself to the ass, like it was made for it.

Seriously.
I had to search a bit for a "tea bag" and resize it, but I picked a random ass off the internet and lo and behold I didn't even have to resize anything to make your head fit.

Hmmm.

As for sleeping well, wake me up when you got somethin'. If it's worth the effort, I might even raise my game to the level of trying. :yawn:

Fair warning. A smart man would walk away now.
Oh, right. Never mind.:coolshades:

yikes! You come out swinging don't you?
T-bag is still a college student GB, cut him some slack.:blink:
and you T-bag, try not to let your sarcasm go over the "edge"-okay?
( I understand sarcasm, but there's certain levels you can only go to with people that know you. You know what I mean?)

I enjoy watching Lost, and I enjoy reading the recaps and finding out the theories presented and formulating my own. I appreciate the efforts of those who are truly obsessed with it enough to do all the research involved b/c I never would. I really enjoy actually WATCHING it for the emotional rollercoaster it puts me through (and for the hot guys).:D

That being said I do have an unhealthy obsession with Survivor so I understand how it is.

zoobabe

02-11-2007, 08:56 AM

ZB -
I only come out swinging if I absolutely have to.
I'm happy to trade tit for tat and leave it at that.

well- I'm not trading my "tit"s for anything, so I'll make sure not to start shit with you!:tongue_smilie:

btw- I made up that quote I use as my siggy line. If you use it on a t-shirt, I will insist on payment.:)

Jinger

02-11-2007, 08:56 AM

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 08:58 AM

zoobabe-another survivor junkie, right here. i do love the "game," but i got to say jeff probst is a major reason i watch.

ok, so back to LOST...so, let's go wtih the assumption that the LOSTies were selected for the flight by dharma, p widdy, hanso-whomever. and i know we keep asking this, but WHY were they slected? is it merely for the purpose of capturing some foks that can bear children? if they want children so badly, why do we only see 2 on the flight (or 2 that survived)? and, why not more women if they want them to bear kiddos? wouldn't it have been easier to just hijack a school bus or something? and, wouldn't the others be really mad at michael for killing ana lucia and libby seeing as they were of child-bearing age?

sawsee5

02-11-2007, 08:58 AM

zoobabe

02-11-2007, 09:00 AM

OK, I am on Jampony's side....too much "filler" on this board with all the love/hate. People...stay focused!

LOST LOST LOST!!

Someone make a new thread for the worship and subsequent territorialism of love for GB....you're killin me!

ok Jinger- give me your best guess as to when/if the funky toe statue is gonna come back into play b/c I can't wrap my brain around that at all! i s it supposed to be on the second island- or another one? It was pretty LARGE-why can't they all see it?

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 09:19 AM

let's hope pickett is really dead...poor man has had like 4 bloody/broken noses in the short time we've been at the dharma zoo. next thing you know, they'll need to crash a plane with a plastic surgeon on it cuz pickett's septum will be beyond deviated!!!!

zoobabe

02-11-2007, 09:31 AM

It's definitely on Island 1.0 or Saayid, Jin and Sun would have somehow accidentally navigated in the completely wrong direction. Considering that they were hugging the shore, this is pretty much an impossibility.

As for why no one else sees it, there does appear to be a big mountain in the middle of the island. I'd say that unless someone develops telescopic x-ray vision, they aren't likely to see a statue on the beach on the other side of the island.

What is the great 4 toed Colossus? Well, if it ain't Homer Simpson, I don't have a clue. By far, it is the best tidbit that they've ever thrown at us.

Oh- I KNOW about the mountain thing, it's just that I thought they had been crawling all over that island in their many adventures so maybe they would have come to a high point or maybe the island is just a lot bigger than I think. I just hate when they do shit like that and never bring it up again. Maybe they will when we see more of Sayid, Jin and Sun. I still want to know what's happening with Desmond's girlfriend too.

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 09:36 AM

ok, i just thought of another question. at the end of season 2 when jack, kate, and sawyer are captured, i wonder how they were transported to island #2 (or is it 2.0, or 1.0...whatever...transported to the ~other~ island) and how long it took to get there. if it were by sub, imagine you being one of them. wouldn't the fact that you are in a sub completely freak you out?!?! now, i have never been in a sub so i don't know that i'd know i was in one if i had a bag over my head, but i could probably differentiate between a boat or a car or a plane or whatever, so maybe i could tell i was in something like a sub. and do subs move quickly? any sub experts out there?

zoobabe

02-11-2007, 09:39 AM

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 09:43 AM

zoobabe

02-11-2007, 09:49 AM

zoo-i thought they came by sub on the ep with sun, jin, and sayid, and then took the boat after the shootout. but, if they did come by sub (called the gala, i believe), wonder where they "parked" it, or is it haplessly floating about in pala ferry harbour?

yeah- you're right. they did take the boat when they left. that's why I need you guys to remember stuff.:blushing:

but- they COULD have left another other on the sub to drive it back.

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 09:54 AM

zoo writes: but- they COULD have left another other on the sub to drive it back.

oh yea...duh! the obvious escapes me sometimes.

another other-hee hee.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 10:42 AM

I think the fact that the Others gave what appeared to be their only boat to Michael and Walt was what made the revelation of Island 2.0 such a stunner.

But it was, since we had the sense that the Others only transport was chugging away towards home.

What makes you think that was the only boat? That thought never occurred to me. If they can have many huts, many hatches, many others....it would seem that they would have many boats too.

chooch850

02-11-2007, 11:02 AM

I suggest GB and his "others" leave T-Bag alone !!!! You'll hafta go thru me.... and I'm not someone to mess with, that's for sure !!!! He may be an assface, but he's our assface and we like him like that. :p

All this baby talk on LOST.... Sun used the only pregnancy test. I agree with the theory that something bad happened to Kate after her breakfast with Benry, but I don't think enough time elapsed between then and her being put in the cage for her to have been in room 23. But, of course, LOST TIME. At one point we knew exactly how many days they were on the island.... now it's iffy.

I miss the hatch:sad:
I miss the Losties:sad:
I miss Syid:drool:

LOSTbean

02-11-2007, 11:13 AM

chooch, just remember....t-bag started it with the squirrel/dwarves comment. wanna talk more? you know where to find me. i've got all the LOST time in the world to discuss it. LOL! ;o)

sawsee5

02-11-2007, 11:44 AM

Well, I hope that Karl doesn't awake with EXACTLY the same desires.
I don't think Sawyer's into that...
:rolleyes2:

If Juliet can impregnate a Male mouse, then it it will not matter much, if there is a 'mismatch'! Ewww..

:scared:

Re: 4 toed statue- I sure hope the storyline comes back to this as it is such an intriguing element.

Lady-in-Grey came up with the very cool idea about Lost, possibly reflecting real events such as the Tsunami in Dec. 2004. Lady said the first clue will be the tide retreating, which may REVEAL what lies under the water, around the island. Such as where the cable leads to; what other artifacts lie around the statue. And, if all this comes to pass, will the Ship float away??

chooch850

02-11-2007, 11:46 AM

I agree GB.... maybe if it continues to be about pro-creation they should put it on Lifetime channel.

.....and I ain't afraid of you LOSTbean:crying: ( maybe a little)

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 11:52 AM

I suggest GB and his "others" leave T-Bag alone !!!! You'll hafta go thru me.... and I'm not someone to mess with, that's for sure !!!! He may be an assface, but he's our assface and we like him like that.

When she says "our" assface she isn't necessarily speaking for TVGasm as a whole. :p

he's our assface and we like him like that. :p

We do? :confused:

Personally, I prefer Hatches to Hormones, Others to Ovaries, Smoke Monsters to Storks, Polar Bears to Placenta and Gunplay to Gestation.

Maybe that's just me.

And back on topic....it may be just you.

I, personaly, like procreation. We could just combine your list - have a little procreation IN the hatch have some sexin with the smoke monsters.... maybe on a (polar) bear skin rug? With all those sexy men on that island - not having procreatin would be a crime I tell ya!

campfiregirl

02-11-2007, 12:03 PM

Personally I think the key to some of it is the Jacob reference. Did a little research in church today.

Jacob was a twin. He and Esau went on to found two different nations. Jacob
was Judeism and Esau was Islam. Jacob was the the father of the twelve tribes. He loved Rachel but was tricked into marrying Leah first.

Leah bore him four sons and Rachel was barren. So Rachel's jealous and gives him her handmaiden and she bore him two sons. So Leah is jealous and gives him her handmaiden and she bore him two more sons then Leah has her own two more sons and finally Rachel is blessed with her own two sons the favorites Joesph and Benjamin.

Procreation and fertility run rampent thru out the story.

Camp's Bible lesson over.:)

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 12:05 PM

Besides, Sawyer's already taken a run at the two hottest ladies on the island, so it's not like they aren't "Showin' the wife the blast door map" over there in Lost town.

We could debate about the "hotness" of the two ladie's he's been with. But I'll leave that to you men. As for "Showin' the wife the blast door map" that's the worst euphemism yet!

Plus, IF the pregancy angle is going to play a major role, which it sure looks like it will, at some point VERY SOON, they're going to have to fast forward island time about 7 or 8 months to get to the payoff.

Not necessarily....who knows how fast things can go when you are manipulating time and a uterus can look the wrong age. Things might go way faster or slower than they would outside the great Lost island snowglobe.

chooch850

02-11-2007, 12:08 PM

maybe the "babies" will come to term really fast..... maybe they will be blonde with weird eyes..... maybe they'll all look alike..... maybe they will make Paulo set himself on fire.....

LB can't tell me anything I don't already know about cats... I have 16.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 12:12 PM

Chooch, I'd watch out for LB. She has this enormous cat.
If you aren't nice to her, she'll tell you all about fat cats, long hair and what happens when a cat is so fat it can't clean itself properly.

I didn't sleep well for a week.

:scared:

LB can't tell me anything I don't already know about cats... I have 16.

See - we can match you scary cat lady for scary cat lady..... in this round it's a draw!

TinkerbellAPixie

02-11-2007, 12:25 PM

It has history.

OOH - inside jokes. Rightttttttt..... they probably lose their impact when you use them in debate against people who aren't on the "inside"

chooch850

02-11-2007, 12:29 PM

.... this is all so FUNNY... I never thought reading the LOST thread on a sunday afternoon would be sooooo entertaining.

Pekmboyd

02-11-2007, 01:46 PM

OK, I've had time to digest all this new-people business, I'm going in!

ok, i just thought of another question. at the end of season 2 when jack, kate, and sawyer are captured, i wonder how they were transported to island #2 (or is it 2.0, or 1.0...whatever...transported to the ~other~ island) and how long it took to get there. if it were by sub, imagine you being one of them. wouldn't the fact that you are in a sub completely freak you out?!?! now, i have never been in a sub so i don't know that i'd know i was in one if i had a bag over my head, but i could probably differentiate between a boat or a car or a plane or whatever, so maybe i could tell i was in something like a sub. and do subs move quickly? any sub experts out there?

Not a sub expert, but I've been in one, and I can tell you that it's damned near impossible not to crash into things and smack your head on stuff when you're eyes are wide open and paying attention...everything is SO cramped and squished...and climbing down into it is another matter altogether...I can't imagine doing it blindfolded.

I think they were put on a boat, either drugged so they didn't know what was happening, or they assumed it was just a faster way to get from the dock to the Other camp and didn't realize they'd gone to a different island.

Or...what if there was an underground tunnel between islands...and the only reason the Others stole the sailboat was so the Losties couldn't have it??

Very true.

Time "manipulation" has been speculated about quite a bit, so it's certainly possible. Might stretch the bounds of credibility a bit if the ladies go from flat tummies to third trimester too quickly though.

They don't necessarily have to "manipulate" time....they could just start Season 4 with an "8 months later" premise.

Jinger

02-11-2007, 01:46 PM

ok Jinger- give me your best guess as to when/if the funky toe statue is gonna come back into play b/c I can't wrap my brain around that at all! i s it supposed to be on the second island- or another one? It was pretty LARGE-why can't they all see it?

I'm afraid I don't have much insight into the four toed statue ZB...it's an enigma to me as well! When I first saw it, I thougth it was old as in ancient and had been there for centuries. Then after seeing pics of it on various sites it doesn't look that old. I guess there are several theories floating around in my head about it. One maybe having something to do with the whole time/space continuum and the statue is indeed many centuries old but somehow is there from the "past" therefore not as deteriorated as it should be.

Or there is the possibility that it is/was in the process of being built by the Others as some type of homage to someone they "worship". Although who has 4 freakin toes!?

Also, the pedestal it stands on has the space for the other foot but there are no physical signs that the other foot ever even existed. As far as noone ever seeing it, if it's on the other side of the island from Lostie camp and they hadn't ventured over to that particular shore I suppose it's possible due to all the foliage and/or mountains that could have kept it hidden if they were on foot in the jungle.

I can't imagine that they would not at some point revisit the statue, and given Sayid's curious nature and his reaction to it I am goinna hazard a guess and say that once they get through this whole rescuing K/S/J drama and he's bored he'll head out on some sort of expedition to get a closer look.

On a side note, I just realized that Tink is so busy moderating in here w/all the newbies/oldies that she is not posting to the Friday Night Lights thread and I'm not happy!!:angry:

TVqt

02-11-2007, 02:30 PM

LB can't tell me anything I don't already know about cats... I have 16.

:eek:

Cats are way groovy, but that's a lot of Meow Mix & Tidy Cat! :unsure:

susanarosa

02-11-2007, 03:46 PM

Whew...:blink:

My opinion is that the others probably have a crapload of boats at their disposal.

It should be interesting how and if Kate and Sawyer make it back to the Losties camp and if Locke and the other Losties try to go to the other island and are able to find it at all.

My questions are:
What's the point of the "other" other camp that was all rustic and shit? And whatever happened to Ms. Clue?
Are Dharma and Benry's others even connected?
And why the hell wouldn't Carl (or is it Karl as in Marx) and Kate and Sawyer be worried that the others are just going to get into a boat and go pluck them off the island again? I mean, if they really want those two, they're not going to stay safe all that long.

Jinger

02-11-2007, 04:54 PM

We know that they make it back to Lostie camp because of the previews, but I agree that if they wanted them they could easily get them again. I do think Benry will keep his word as far as letting them go, however, I am not so sure that Jack and/or Juliet will be getting a ticket home any time soon!

The fake camp was just to make people believe that they are primitive and to detract attention from anyone discovering that they had the other island and all the technology they do have. I believe they are related to the Dharma people but I guess I don't really have proof of that, or at least anything that I can recall right now. Benry did say he was born on the island though so he's been there long enough that he would have come with the original Dharma Initiative probably.

I wonder sometimes how it is even possible for them to answer all the questions that have come up about this show. There's a really good website that dissects and analyzes things really well and I think last time I checked they were up to like 186 mysteries! That's a lot of questions to answer!

susanarosa

02-11-2007, 06:30 PM

I'm still confused about the "fake" camp.

*If* the Losties are the first new people on the island (other than the Dharma folks who seemed to never really leave their hatches) did they put together the fake camp just to trick Michael? Doesn't that seem like a waste of resources? Am I being too logical here?

Or was the camp already there, maybe left over from the four toed statue people?

Pekmboyd

02-11-2007, 06:49 PM

Or was the camp already there, maybe left over from the four toed statue people?

I definitely think the camp was already there, left over from something, but I don't know if it was the four-toed statue people :)

t-bag

02-11-2007, 09:10 PM

Jeez. I go to work and come back, go back five pages, and I still can't find the post I made before I left. So... if there were any new insults thrown my way, I didn't get 'em. Sorry.

Don't know if it has been said before, but one of the seven wonders of the ancient world was the Colossus of Rhodes, an enormous statue that had - yep - four toes. And then one day it crumbled, and all that was left was the foot and calf of one leg. And now no one knows where it is. Apparently the Others have it. Or so I tend to think.

pearlblackdragon

02-11-2007, 09:48 PM

t-bag

02-11-2007, 09:59 PM

The fact that you learned something in school and applied it to Lost...I am SO proud......:thumbup:

I know! All that tuition finally paid off.

TVqt

02-12-2007, 12:13 AM

one of the seven wonders of the ancient world was the Colossus of Rhodes, an enormous statue that had - yep - four toes.
When I read this, I got curious and did a search on the internet for the Colossus of Rhodes. I found out that it was a statue of the Greek god Helios, but of the 20 or so websites I checked out, I could find no mention of four toes in any of them.:confused:
Maybe, t-bag, could you tell us where to find this info? Or better yet, could you post a picture here? That'd be cool! :coolshades:

jampony

02-12-2007, 03:22 AM

Not sure about the Rhodes statue but yesterday I spent way too much time on lostpedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page) reading about the four-toed statue (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Statue)(it's wearing an ancient Greek sandal!) and the smoke monster (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Smoke_monster) and other stuff that kept me on that site for, like, three hours. It's mostly just conjecture and theories because, of course, nobody knows the answers, but it was still interesting.

LOSTbean

02-12-2007, 05:33 AM

LB can't tell me anything I don't already know about cats... I have 16.[/QUOTE]

16 cats?!?! are you serious? :blink:

>^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^<
(reapeat all 8 cats and you got 16!)

LOSTbean

02-12-2007, 05:39 AM

chooch-i am still blown away by the fact that you have 16 cats!!! i can't even begin to fathom what you spend on litter each month. that's cool tho...you'll have to post their names sometime!

pearlblackdragon

02-12-2007, 06:14 AM

Don't know if it has been said before, but one of the seven wonders of the ancient world was the Colossus of Rhodes, an enormous statue that had - yep - four toes. And then one day it crumbled, and all that was left was the foot and calf of one leg. And now no one knows where it is. Apparently the Others have it. Or so I tend to think.

When I read this, I got curious and did a search on the internet for the Colossus of Rhodes. I found out that it was a statue of the Greek god Helios, but of the 20 or so websites I checked out, I could find no mention of four toes in any of them.:confused:
Maybe, t-bag, could you tell us where to find this info? Or better yet, could you post a picture here? That'd be cool! :coolshades:

I am guessing that since no-one knows where it is, a picture would be somewhat impossible. But it would also be a reason why no-one knows where the island that they are all on is. We cannot as viewers confirm or deny our suspicions because of the above stated facts......the plot thickens....again.

zoobabe

02-12-2007, 06:27 AM

I am guessing that since no one knows where it is, a picture would be somewhat impossible. But it would also be a reason why no-one knows where the island that they are all on is. We cannot as viewers confirm or deny our suspicions because of the above stated facts......the plot thickens....again.

but if the Rhodes statue was in the ancient world, then WHERE in the ancient world did it originate? If it crumbled, could our island chain be some newly formed crumbled off version of Greece or Italy? Could the incident that caused the statue to crumble have been related to electromagnetic energy shifting the Earth's crust? Could this incident have caused a time warp, thus rendering the location of the statue to be misplaced/erased?

too many questions-not enough answers. Even the answers they DO give us can be interpreted in so many ways by so many people. I think it's frustrating, which is why I don't spend as much time trying to figure it all out.:glare:

Jinger

02-12-2007, 08:52 AM

t-bag

02-12-2007, 08:56 AM

Sorry, I don't have any pictures or quotable online sources for that information. My Roman history professor also likes Lost, so he gave us that as one of his theories. And it seems every website, no matter how credible-seeming, has no idea what they're talking about. One swears that the statue was straddling the harbor of Rhodes, while another "knows for a fact" that it was standing with its legs together. So the fact that no one knows shit about it brings my professor into question as well. But the one thing everyone can agree on is that it was made out of bronze, which is why it inspired the Statue of Liberty. And the foot was clearly made out of stone, which knocks the Colossus out of the running. But what other giant historical statue crumbled from the knee up?

t-bag

02-12-2007, 08:57 AM

OK...I just read something vewwwwy interesting....

Now, most of us are assuming that it was Mittleos/Dharma that did away with Juliet's hubby via the bus. Someone brought up a pretty good theory that I'm gonna share. What if Juliet has the some sort of manifestation ability a la Walt (grizzly bear, etc) and if Dharma knew this they would OF COURSE want her on the island. So basically she willed that male mouse to be pregnant as well as her sister and willed the bus to run dickface over!? And really, how could Dharma orchestrate that whole bus thing without some type of divine intervention...it would be thisclose to impossible right!? And it's also possible that Juliet isn't even aware of this ability I suppose. Just throwing it out there...

The moment he got hit by the bus, I said to my roommate, "Holy shit, she can wish things into existence!" I meant it as a joke, but the second I said it, I realized that, knowing Lost, that's probably the answer.

LOSTbean

02-12-2007, 09:17 AM

wow, if i had a professor who watched and discussed LOST, you can bet i'd never miss a class and would beg to do extra credit. :w00t:

sawsee5

02-12-2007, 10:24 AM

OK...I just read something vewwwwy interesting....

Now, most of us are assuming that it was Mittleos/Dharma that did away with Juliet's hubby via the bus. Someone brought up a pretty good theory that I'm gonna share. What if Juliet has the some sort of manifestation ability a la Walt (grizzly bear, etc) and if Dharma knew this they would OF COURSE want her on the island. So basically she willed that male mouse to be pregnant as well as her sister and willed the bus to run dickface over!? And really, how could Dharma orchestrate that whole bus thing without some type of divine intervention...it would be thisclose to impossible right!? And it's also possible that Juliet isn't even aware of this ability I suppose. Just throwing it out there...

Wow! What a great idea! Just like Walt, manifesting the bird. And Dez too? Or is he 'limited' to superior cognitive abilities?

sawsee5

02-12-2007, 10:28 AM

but if the Rhodes statue was in the ancient world, then WHERE in the ancient world did it originate? If it crumbled, could our island chain be some newly formed crumbled off version of Greece or Italy? Could the incident that caused the statue to crumble have been related to electromagnetic energy shifting the Earth's crust? Could this incident have caused a time warp, thus rendering the location of the statue to be misplaced/erased?

too many questions-not enough answers. Even the answers they DO give us can be interpreted in so many ways by so many people. I think it's frustrating, which is why I don't spend as much time trying to figure it all out.:glare:

There has been many 'ancient' connections:

The 7 labors of Hercules: killing 'Linus', killing Hydra of the 'Underworld'.

The CD case from Talking Heads - 'Speaking in Tongues' could be connected to The Tower of Babel.

wesb

02-12-2007, 11:09 AM

zoobabe

02-12-2007, 12:17 PM

The "incident" that caused the real Colossus of Rhodes to crumble was an earthquake. Don't know if that would have any connection to the shuddering of the ground when the button wasn't pushed, or whether "the incident" might have been something like that...

thanks for that info (I suck at history). Wouldn't a big-ass earthquake be enough to splinter a big island into smaller ones? Isn't it possible that even if their statue is not THE statue t-bag suggested, some previous civilization could have built it there and they were also doing some kind of scientific research that caused an earthquake. Maybe they built a statue to honor Benry the first. Maybe Benry was born there b/c he is the direct descendent of the island's founder.:confused1:

wesb

02-12-2007, 12:43 PM

C & L have said in their interviews that the island has a very long history and I note on the blast door map that the Black Rock is the final resting place of Magnus Hanso. It could be that some of the Others are descendants of the original Black Rock's crew.

J.D.H.

02-12-2007, 03:09 PM

OK...I just read something vewwwwy interesting....

Now, most of us are assuming that it was Mittleos/Dharma that did away with Juliet's hubby via the bus. Someone brought up a pretty good theory that I'm gonna share. What if Juliet has the some sort of manifestation ability a la Walt (grizzly bear, etc) and if Dharma knew this they would OF COURSE want her on the island. So basically she willed that male mouse to be pregnant as well as her sister and willed the bus to run dickface over!? And really, how could Dharma orchestrate that whole bus thing without some type of divine intervention...it would be thisclose to impossible right!? And it's also possible that Juliet isn't even aware of this ability I suppose. Just throwing it out there...

Hi!
Just wanted to add that I think Shannon was special in a psychic kinda way. Boone had told Locke she was special when they were hiking through the jungle in season 1. She was the only one who could see Walt's ghost at the beginning of the 2nd season. I would love to know where the creators of the show would have taken her character.

Was Kate ever in the hatch when Ben was being held there? She never had contact with him when he was Sayid's prisoner, right?

TinkerbellAPixie

02-12-2007, 03:41 PM

Hi!
Just wanted to add that I think Shannon was special in a psychic kinda way. Boone had told Locke she was special when they were hiking through the jungle in season 1. She was the only one who could see Walt's ghost at the beginning of the 2nd season. I would love to know where the creators of the show would have taken her character.

Was Kate ever in the hatch when Ben was being held there? She never had contact with him when he was Sayid's prisoner, right?

Hi J.D.H. - welcome to the forums!

Great point about Shannon, I forgot all about her but you're right she did seem to have some sort of psychic something.

I don't recall Kate being in the hatch with Ben - I'd have to look back, but wasn't Jack always finding ways to divert her from the hatch?

J.D.H.

02-12-2007, 04:05 PM

I don't recall Kate being in the hatch with Ben - I'd have to look back, but wasn't Jack always finding ways to divert her from the hatch?

I'm just wondering if Kate has been compromised.
She was on the plane, we all saw that. But she didn't show up until much later on the beach to help Jack stitch his back. Plus she was the first into the hatch. And her breakfast with Ben.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-12-2007, 04:09 PM

I'm just wondering if Kate has been compromised.
She was on the plane, we all saw that. But she didn't show up until much later on the beach to help Jack stitch his back. Plus she was the first into the hatch. And her breakfast with Ben.

There are a lot of web-sites devoted to the theory that Kate is an "Other". When the losties went in search of Michael, Kate was used as leverage by Tom to get the Losties to give up their weapons and turn back. Up to that point the "Others" hadn't done much negotiating and they were never shy to knock someone out with a rifle - yet little Miss Kate was completely unharmed. You would think she would have fought like mad before being taken - but she looked very meek.

Remember when she found Tom's beard and ratty clothes in the medical hatch? She kept that discovery from all the losties.

Then this season she was placed in a cage that she had no trouble getting in or out of.

That's just a few of the things that are a little odd about Kate.

Jinger

02-12-2007, 04:13 PM

Was Kate ever in the hatch when Ben was being held there? She never had contact with him when he was Sayid's prisoner, right?

I am about 99% sure that she was never in the hatch when Ben was there because that was when Jack was all pissy with her and not talking to her and I recall her even asking him if she can go take a shower and he gave her a big story about the plumbing being broken.

J.D.H.

02-12-2007, 04:15 PM

There are a lot of web-sites devoted to the theory that Kate is an "Other". When the losties went in search of Michael, Kate was used as leverage by Tom to get the Losties to give up their weapons and turn back. Up to that point the "Others" hadn't done much negotiating and they were never shy to knock someone out with a rifle - yet little Miss Kate was completely unharmed. You would think she would have fought like mad before being taken - but she looked very meek.

Forgot about that. Really suggests the writers are playing within a defined gray-area when dealing with Kate. Lines they won't cross because that'd paint in one corner or the other.

zoobabe

02-12-2007, 04:18 PM

the only way I'll ever believe that Kate is an Other is if she's been brainwashed and doesn't know what she's doing. They've focused too much on her backstory and I'd actually be disappointed if I found out that she was after all this time and the integral part she plays in the show.

J.D.H.

02-12-2007, 04:26 PM

TinkerbellAPixie

02-12-2007, 04:30 PM

So do you consider Juliet to be an Other?

I think information could be given that predates Kate's earliest flashback pre-island storyline that sets her up for a possible connection to the Others or Dharma.
But I never said Kate was an Other, just compromised.

I think you are right about Kate being compromised - I'm just not sure to what degree. I don't believe she is a full blown "Other".

As for Juliet - Gosh I am so on the fence about her since this last episode. Finding out she wanted her freedom from Ben makes her seem like just another captive. But... how much do you excuse her behavior?

I just finished reading The Good German, in it they describe these people in Germany, Jews who were chosen by the Nazis to point out other Jews. If they would be decoys and scouts to point out the Jews in hiding, they were spared. Often their families were spared. So in my book the question arose - do we hold these scouts up to be just as bad as the Nazis? Do we pity them for having to turn on their own people? What if they did what they did to save a child? Does that excuse it?

I have the same questions about Juliet and some of the Others. If they were there against their will, and had to do some crappy things - in order to stay alive. Does that excuse it?

zoobabe

02-12-2007, 04:51 PM

we don't know what Ben said to Juliet in the operating room, so we also don't know if she was lying to Jack about wanting to go home. I think she's shifty so I'm reserving judgement on her.

J.D.H.

02-12-2007, 04:56 PM

I think you are right about Kate being compromised - I'm just not sure to what degree. I don't believe she is a full blown "Other".

As for Juliet - Gosh I am so on the fence about her since this last episode. Finding out she wanted her freedom from Ben makes her seem like just another captive. But... how much do you excuse her behavior?

I just finished reading The Good German, in it they describe these people in Germany, Jews who were chosen by the Nazis to point out other Jews. If they would be decoys and scouts to point out the Jews in hiding, they were spared. Often their families were spared. So in my book the question arose - do we hold these scouts up to be just as bad as the Nazis? Do we pity them for having to turn on their own people? What if they did what they did to save a child? Does that excuse it?

I have the same questions about Juliet and some of the Others. If they were there against their will, and had to do some crappy things - in order to stay alive. Does that excuse it?

I think that is what makes her such an interesting character. Is she saving her own skin, or does she have long term plans with far reaching goals that have a postive outcome for everyone (815 survivors and the children), does she have such a comtempt for the Others (maybe she's never felt a part of the them)?
There is a saying that seems to apply to her, something about sacrificing freedoms for safety or something. And deserving neither freedom or safety.

J.D.H.

02-12-2007, 04:58 PM

we don't know what Ben said to Juliet in the operating room, so we also don't know if she was lying to Jack about wanting to go home. I think she's shifty so I'm reserving judgement on her.

I could see Kate and Juliet doing a flip-flop in loyalties. Possibly. Maybe.

Libby (if she had lived long enough/and I think Juliet is her replacement to some extent) may have been a red herring to throw everyone (audience) off the scent of Kate. Again, could be. Maybe.

PaulieWalnutz

02-13-2007, 01:50 PM

I am trying to remember a time when Kate could have been comprimised.

I know she was taken hostage and used to foil the attempt to "cross the line", but most of the speculation was that she was in on it before then. I can't recall any other time she was captured...

I am sure the writers could just do a flashback that at some point she was collecting coconuts she was comprimised but that would make me mad.

TinkerbellAPixie

02-13-2007, 02:20 PM

PaulieWalnutz

02-14-2007, 01:11 PM

Never quite thought about it that way. It really isn't out f the question that with all of the stuff that they do that they could have placed insiders on the planes.

wesb

02-15-2007, 10:47 AM

Pekmboyd

02-15-2007, 11:05 AM

Kate could easily have been compromised during the breakfast on the beach with Ben. They were conspicuous in not showing us what happened then. Since Kate's situation would make her fear being rescued, I could imagine Ben bargaining to send her home quietly, with a new identity, allowing the world to think she was dead. This would be her one and only chance to both go home and have freedom, and a perfect setup for her to never have to be on the run again...

And if Charlie really does die, Dominic & Evangeline will be free to move back to LA together instead of one being stuck in Hawaii after the other gets written off the show.

How awkward must it be to be dating a guy who may or may not be getting kicked off the hit show you're both on?