Season 3, Episode 17

[t-bag]

Sweet holy shit.


SPOILERS




I didn't know the death happened tonight.

Mother of Jesus.

Actually sad to see her go. Although I suspect I'll be the only one.

[jampony]

Sweet holy shit.


SPOILERS




I didn't know the death happened tonight.

Mother of Jesus.

Actually sad to see her go. Although I suspect I'll be the only one.

You really think she's dead? I don't think so. One possibility: she's the cylon and she'll be downloaded and reborn soon. I don't buy that, though. She had her hand on her ejection lever, right? Could she have ejected and Lee didn't see her?

[Schoonie]

Just...wow. This is why I watch TV.

[t-bag]

You really think she's dead? I don't think so. One possibility: she's the cylon and she'll be downloaded and reborn soon. I don't buy that, though. She had her hand on her ejection lever, right? Could she have ejected and Lee didn't see her?

No, way. She didn't eject. She's the cylon. For suresies. She's clearly not dead, since there was all that shit about destiny. I have a feeling the season finale will involve her waking up in goo.

Who else would D'anna have said, "Forgive me, I didn't know," to?

[Schoonie]

In my opinion, she's the most well rounded, dynamic and interesting character on a show full of them, and narratively, they haven't wrapped her storyline yet, or explained her dreams or desires or any of the things which have gone unresolved thus far. From a purely narrative standpoint, she's coming back, no doubt.

[jampony]

And didn't the producers just come out say they weren't killing her off?

Really interesting theory by Jezrah in the comment section of the recap about Kara being rescued by the cylon raider and the writers possibly playing with us for a while (like she's on the cylon ship, is she or isn't she a cylon?). That actually seems to make a lot of sense.

[adriscoll27]

I don't think she's dead or a cylon. I think D'anna could have been talking to Tighe? She had reason to apoligize to him for that whole eye thing.....

[jampony]

I don't think she's dead or a cylon. I think D'anna could have been talking to Tighe? She had reason to apoligize to him for that whole eye thing.....

Damn, I never thought of him. That makes perfect sense. I kept trying to think who she could have been talking to. Kara doesn't warrant as much respect as D'Anna showed. Ha! I'd love to see it be Tighe!

[AlanPMarks]

I have to argue against Tigh being the mysterious cylon. You're right that D'Anna would have reason to apologize for the eye, but the thing with Tigh is that he's been around for too long and is remembered by others on the ship for too long. He served with Adama for a long time, so that rules them both out as cylons. They were there long before the cylons looked like humans. With others there is the possibility of false memories, but those two are each other's alibi (the cylons have never replaced existing humans--I'd feel cheated if that was what was happening here).

I think we can narrow it down to a few individuals. Not Apollo, since his father watched him grow up. Not the chief or his wife since they have a kid together (Hera is supposed to be the special one). Not Helo (again because of Hera--she's half human). I don't think Starbuck because she was experimented on on Caprica and had her "human" ovary removed by the cylons (personally, I think the raider and Leoben rescued her--I was posting as Jezrah on the comments for this episode--a confusion in registering got me a different username here). Not the president because she had cancer and was cured by cylon blood.

Since the mysterious cylon almost has to be a significant character, that cuts the list down a lot. It leaves Dee, who is really possible and would be interesting. Anders, again interesting, although I think that might confuse the whole Starbuck storyline--then again, it might make it interesting if she's in cylon hands and suddenly sees her "husband." Baltar is still a very real possibility. And my personal favorite is Gaeta. It would twist him nicely after all he went through on New Caprica. It would possibly explain what Baltar whispered in his ear just before Gaeta tried to kill him. And it would fit one very important detail. D'Anna recognized the person when she saw the final five in the temple of Jupiter. The only ones on this short list she would have known well enough to apologize the way she did would have been Baltar and Gaeta (since Gaeta was working for president Baltar). I don't think we ever saw her in contact with Anders or Dee. And since Baltar obsesses way too much about being a cylon, I don't think they'll make him one. That leaves Gaeta.

Any flaws in my logic, anyone?

[NikBot]

that makes sense AlanP. gaeta cylon would be good.

I still think Tigh could be a cylon and i agree with the earlier posts on how that would make sense, due to the apology, recognition, etc...

The cylons had no contact w/ humans in that 40-year window of truce, so in theory, they could have developed the cylon/human models, say 35 yrs ago and put them in place (as Six was on Caprica; Boomer on Galactica, etc) before Tigh met Adama in the flashbacks, etc. It's a huge stretch, i know, but i guess could've happened???? Tigh's maybe in his forties??

[AlanPMarks]

I had been thinking that Tigh and Adama had known each other from way, way back. There was that one episode with the flashback to Adama being out of the fleet for some reason and trying (eventually successfully) to get back in. And when he got back in, he got Tigh back as well (Tigh was about to eat his gun). I had thought they were much younger at that point, but it was hard to place it since they were using the same actors to play their younger selves (and Olmos will never, ever pull off young), but Tigh had hair, and Adama was a much lower level officer. And at that point, they already had a significant history with each other and had served together before.

Does anyone know of any specific history that's around that might pin down how far back that might have been in the timeline? I'm just really having difficulty thinking Tigh could be a cylon (do we even have any evidence at all that they actually age?).

Not that it wouldn't be cool to see happen. Rabid, cylon-hating Tigh discovering that he, himself, was actually a cylon? You think he has an alcohol problem now? Hell, his head might explode. I don't see it happening, though.

[jampony]

Again, Jezrah makes sense to me, unfortunately! I would LOVE Tighe to be the cylon, but it doesn't seem possible. And about his age... I thought he was late 50s or even early 60s. Dude looks worn.

I wonder if we're reading D'Anna's "I'm so sorry" wrong. I thought it was said with reverence, as if she was talking to a superior or someone in high standing, but maybe Lucy Lawless just wasn't acting that well... maybe it's just like "oh, oops, pardon me, my bad" or something like that.

I don't know. I'm all confused now. But can I just say how excited I am to see some new blood around here? Woo hoo!

[AlanPMarks]

Okay, first of all, I'm all fixed and posting as "Jezrah" here now as well, so you won't here from "AlanPMarks" again.

In response to what Jampony was saying about D'Anna's reaction to the unknown cylon, I did some looking and what I found for what she actually said (this is how it was quoted in Wikipedia, anyway, so take that for what it's worth) was ""You! Forgive me, I had no idea." If that's an accurate quote, then she definitely knows that one. That would fit Tigh in that way, but he's a long shot for so many others.

I agree it would be really cool, though. Of any single character in the entire series, he would be the most fun to watch discover he was a cylon.

There's one other candidate that I hadn't really thought of before that might be interesting, (who might have some of the same issues with aging, etc., but would be a lot more possible than Tigh because he wasn't personally known to the others for a long time). Tom Zarack. It could be interesting to see the original Apollo turned terrorist, turned semi-nice guy/vice president suddenly become a cylon. If they can justify the aging, because I think his history as a terrorist goes back a little ways, then that could really work.

[Jezrah]

Oops. Okay, now I'm posting as Jezrah--I think.

[Jezrah]

Here's some interesting info on both Adama and Tigh. It turns out that BSG has its own wikipedia based site at this link: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Check out the ones on Adama and Tigh. It has Adama born in 21,290 (with the current year being something like 21,356, which makes him 66). It had him meeting Tigh 30 years before, after the first cylon war, but they had both served separately in that war. They must both be about the same age.

Take a look, in particular, at the pages on Adama, Tigh, and one called "colonial calendar." There is some interesting stuff there.

It also has Zarek as a political terrorist 30 years ago (he spent 20 in prison). That would probably rule him out as a cylon as well.

[Firecat]

After skipping 2 episdoes, I finally caught this one and wow! Didn't see that coming, thought there would be a last minute rescue.

Signs are pointing to her being a cylon, but it's so in our faces that it could just be misdirection.