Season Finale (5/23/07) [Archive]

here4beer

05-23-2007, 06:54 AM

Unrealistic wish: everybody tells each other everyfuckingthing that they know. Or, no one interrupts someone in the middle of an important revelation, and then everyone doesn't suddenly get amnesia and move on to the next task like nothing just happened. HELLO! THEY WERE TELLING YOU SOMETHING IMPORTANT YOU FLIPPING IDIOTS! YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK THEM TO FINISH THEIR SENTENCE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE STRANDED DOESN"T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T ASK FREAKING QUEaflhasd;fua'egfu7wFIDYA#$80346O2qitas9od8c7kjsd vhawryLIWUFGyewgdo876thgdhgmvbk.jff

OK, sorry, I'm back. I lost control of myself for a minute there. This show is just so damn maddening. grrrrrrrrrrrr

Seriously, though, I would still love to see Charlie to bite the big one. And I would love to see more (lots more, if you catch my drift- Hee!) of Mr Mittelos Bioscience... he's such a hottie.

Ryabusa

05-23-2007, 07:49 AM

Unfortunately I think there is a much better chance we get to see Jack dissected like a fetal pig than we do getting people to give a straight answer to a question. I would be happy with either though.

flipit

05-23-2007, 07:54 AM

Firecat

05-23-2007, 08:37 AM

I want Charlie to die
I want Jack to die
I want Michael and Walt to come back. So they can die.
I want Claire's baby to die.

I also want Sayid and Sawyer to kick some ass and run a train on Kate.

It all equals best episode EVER.

here4beer

05-23-2007, 10:04 AM

PLEASE kill charlie. PLEASE!!! i don't want jack to die because juliette won't have anything to do without him and i love her evil ass.

claire could go too. oooh. and i want to see what happened to waaaaalt!

Oh, yes, I seriously need to know what happened to Walt. I'm worried, though, because surely that kid has started puberty by now, right? He won't look anything like waaaaaaalt when/ if they're ready to bring him back, so I have a sneaking suspicion that we won't see him again. :(

Ryabusa

05-23-2007, 10:18 AM

I want Michael and Walt to come back. So they can die.

I need to add that to my wish list! You hit on something else I love now. The Sayid and Sawyer Alliance is the shit! More then anything I want them to get fed up with Jack's shit and torture his ass to death. (read that as literally as you choose)

I have it on pretty good authority that the reason Waaaaalt(!) and Michael left was because Waaaaalt(!) was aging too fast. So I don't think we'll be seeing them anytime soon. But if the next episode starts with their funerals, they still lived too long.

braunie

05-23-2007, 10:56 AM

I don't understand all the Walt controversy. If the kid who played him first looks too old, get a new kid to play him! The writers (hopefully, anyway) must have a plan for them. Didn't they mention Michael and Walt in the Answers show?

PaulieWalnutz

05-23-2007, 10:58 AM

Clair

05-23-2007, 11:54 AM

Awww, why would you want Claire's sweet little baby to die? Juliette, definitely. Charlie, meh. Jack, sure.

I definitely would like to know what happened to Walt. I also want to know: Why did the fart monster kill Eko? What is Libby's back story? What is the significance of the numbers they had to input every 108 minutes which were also the numbers of Hurley's lottery ticket which were also the numbers the guy in the mental institution were muttering. I guess that's all.... for now.

Firecat

05-23-2007, 12:34 PM

Awww, why would you want Claire's sweet little baby to die?

Um, because it's a bastard.

Devoted Satellite

05-23-2007, 04:33 PM

I'd like them to cut to a shot of Jacob and Locke drinking fortys on the porch of the old shack.

I would like to see Jack get killed... its funny how i keep switching back & forth between loving / hating both Jack and Locke. Right now i like Locke more. (By the way... if the island has healed him before, do you think it'll heal him from a gsw ? Also, as on Heroes, with Claire's dad--Locke was shot in a place that is alleged to be 'non-fatal' or on the side/ribcage area.)

I'd like to see the babes who are holding charlie at gunpoint break into an Austin powers style dance routine (complete with furry pink bra-guns??) and fat bastard makes a guest appearance.

I'd like them to explain ANY of the myths of the island... from smoke monster, to the pirate ship, to the giant toe'd statue.....

I would like for ANY of them to realize that they are all connected or know common people in real life.

I'd like Rousseau to hang out more. She's cool.

I know we are in for a cliff-hanger finale to keep us wanting more..... lets hope its a good one !!!

Ryabusa

05-23-2007, 07:03 PM

I have it on pretty good authority that the reason Waaaaalt(!) and Michael left was because Waaaaalt(!) was aging too fast. So I don't think we'll be seeing them anytime soon. But if the next episode starts with their funerals, they still lived too long.
highlight between * for spoilerish comment:
* Well, so much for that. I'm an ass. *

Ryabusa

05-23-2007, 08:10 PM

Great episode, just one question - Jack's line about if he's drunker than his father they can fire him, does that make any sense considering what we learned at the end? Or was he just that f'ed up?

Plenty more to discuss of course, that is just the first nagging thing stuck in my craw.

nmk01

05-23-2007, 08:12 PM

I'm thinking that he's a little delusional. They probably only gave him his job back at the hospital 'cause they felt they had to, but don't let him do any actual surgeries.

What a great ep.

Pekmboyd

05-23-2007, 08:20 PM

I am so going to have to watch that again - the whole time I'm thinking it's a flashback, so of course the whole "his father's supposed to be dead" thing didn't even occur to me. I really loved the episode though - lived up to the hype (unlike Heroes)

Ryabusa

05-23-2007, 08:41 PM

Oh yeah, and Sawyer, Sayid and Hurley all got additional awesome points tonight.

I still want Jack to die, but I guess I have to give up on that one for a while now. Also, through the whole episode I was bothered by the fact that his cell phone seemed far beyond what would have been available in 2001. Stupid me just figured it was a contractually obligated product tie-in.

I love how they've been on the island for less than two months and Walt looks like he's almost reached adulthood now. That island is craaaazy.

shan224

05-23-2007, 08:44 PM

does anyone happen to have any idea who's funeral jack went to? thats bothering me a lot!

Shollia

05-23-2007, 08:51 PM

Well.. since no spoilers on the finale.. all I'll say is..... HOLY CRAP

Ryabusa

05-23-2007, 08:53 PM

I don't think its Sawyer's. I'm pretty sure that is who Kate had to get back to (baby and all). The coffin didn't look big enough to be Hurley's. I'm gonna go with Locke, although I don't see why he ever would have left the island.

Or maybe Ben's?

Who knows? I'm just shooting in the dark here.

Chris

05-23-2007, 09:48 PM

I'm gonna go with Locke, although I don't see why he ever would have left the island.

I'm with you on this one. And I think that would explain Jack's meltdown. At the end there, Jack told Kate that maybe they shouldn't have left the island. What better sign than the death of John Locke, the man who doesn't want to leave? (As far as why he would leave, I'm going to guess it's not for voluntary reasons that John Locke will leave the island.)

I have a few thoughts on tonight's episode.

It's absolutely imperative that we find out who Naomi is working for. I think there's a good chance that her employer is the same person who is covering up the crash. The question remains who that is, but I have a feeling Richard is somewhere behind it. Mittelos could be something more than we think. In fact, if Mittelos is the one that is covering up the crash, they could be doing it for the sake of their research. However, this doesn't answer why Richard and the Others were there before the Dharma Initiative.

The other question I think we need to get back to is what happened to Michael and Walt when they left the island. If they arrived back in the real world, who is keeping them quiet? Again, someone is covering up the crash. Our question is who and why.

As for what happens next, my guess is that the survivors head back to the beach and as they hit the sand, Naomi's boat comes in. Within seconds, Desmond arrives in a dead sprint. This is not the boat we think it is, these people are not here to rescue us. Immediately, the tide is turned on our survivors and they find themselves hostage to this new group. The only people not there: the ones that don't go back to the beach - Locke, Rousseau, Alex, Karl.

But. The cool thing that came out of tonight and what I believe will ultimately result in the rescue of the survivors of Flight 815: Penny should now have enough information to not only blow the lid off the cover-up, but to find the island and rescue everyone.

The hatch explodes with an electromagnetic blast that her team in the bunker picks up on. They have this new location, this new energy, that wasn't on previous maps. Penny begins sending out her transmission and continues to flood that location with her transmission which was successfully received when Charlie unjammed everything. Not only does she find out that Desmond is there, but she has confirmed her location, AND she knows that there is at least one survivor from Oceanic Flight 815 there as well. Being a woman of power and wealth, Penny is the only person with the means to expose the cover-up and does exactly that as she intensifies her rescue efforts for her love, Des.

And now for my final thought (sorry for the long post!). Tonight's flashforward not only gives us the fun game of figuring out who makes it off the island, but it suggests something bigger:

Does the show end when the survivors leave the island? Or, if they were all indeed brought there for a reason, are the consequences for doing such part of the powerful draw of the island that will continue to act on their lives after their escape in the final season(s)?

Megolopolis

05-23-2007, 10:02 PM

Could it have been Kate's mothers funeral?

chooch850

05-23-2007, 11:19 PM

I think Naomi and her boat were hired by Penny's dad, Mr. Widmore. He told Desmond he'd never have his daughter.....and he's got something to do with all this .

I loved this episode. It didn't give me answers but it was kick-ass in soooo many ways. Much more satisfying than the HEROES finale.

....but Charlie looks like a goner.....soooo sad.

Locke lives!!!!! Walt came back to motivate him.

....and that one-eyed asshole just won't die....slithered away like Sylar.

Hurley proved he was a Champion.... I stood up and cheered.

Sayid snapping that guy's neck like a toothpick with his legs was so vicious and so awesome.

.....and I had a good idea it was Jack in the future when I saw his cell phone, it's like mine......so I figured it was Locke, Ben, Juliet, or Kate in the car at the end. It just made LOST sense.

.....as for Jack's dad.... I somehow think he's alive and by Jack getting rescued.... it changed the way things are....or Kate would be in jail for murder. Also, at the hospital, no one seems to think or act like Jack has been gone anywhere. It's definitely not the future that we think it is.

Ben was such a great villian.....he should get an EMMY.

chooch850

05-23-2007, 11:56 PM

Just watched it again..... Ben told Jack that Naomi is not who she says she is... that she is working for people who have been trying to find the island for a long time. That history was about to repeat itself if he contacts her ship. Her people are the bad guys. When they get on the island, they are going to kill everyone, Jack's people and Ben's people. If Jack makes that phone call, everyone will die.

.....I think Ben was right.

Firecat

05-24-2007, 12:34 AM

The whole time I was thinking what a mean drunk Jack is.

The episode was fantastic. Lots of cool moments. Should Charlie have blurted out that Juliet clued them in? Did Bernard have to tell the others everything?

Gotta show some love to Sayid and Sawyer, they were awesome.

I love the fact that Oceanic gave them a golden ticket or whatever. LOL.

Looking back while I was watching, my brother made a comment about the cellphone Jack was using not even being out at that time (if it was in the past of course).

Firecat

05-24-2007, 01:04 AM

I went back and paused some scenes, like when Jack was reading the article...all I could make out was a headline "man found dead(?)...downtown loft"...and then the article said something like "the body of a man found.....of new york"

I dunno. and earlier Jack was all in tears when reading it first, and was about to jump off the bridge....which makes me wonder.

Pekmboyd

05-24-2007, 03:21 AM

I'm with you on this one. And I think that would explain Jack's meltdown. At the end there, Jack told Kate that maybe they shouldn't have left the island. What better sign than the death of John Locke, the man who doesn't want to leave? (As far as why he would leave, I'm going to guess it's not for voluntary reasons that John Locke will leave the island.)

I think it was Ben's funeral - it would make sense that nobody liked him enough to show up, but it seems that Jack develops a fixation with the island after he leaves, so it would make sense that he felt drawn back to Ben's funeral.

I have a few thoughts on tonight's episode.

It's absolutely imperative that we find out who Naomi is working for. I think there's a good chance that her employer is the same person who is covering up the crash. The question remains who that is, but I have a feeling Richard is somewhere behind it. Mittelos could be something more than we think. In fact, if Mittelos is the one that is covering up the crash, they could be doing it for the sake of their research. However, this doesn't answer why Richard and the Others were there before the Dharma Initiative.

The other question I think we need to get back to is what happened to Michael and Walt when they left the island. If they arrived back in the real world, who is keeping them quiet? Again, someone is covering up the crash. Our question is who and why.

How do we know they've been kept quiet? Maybe they got back to the real world and told everybody and the military or somebody sent the boat - which doesn't explain why Naomi would lie about being sent by Penny, but whatever :)

As for what happens next, my guess is that the survivors head back to the beach and as they hit the sand, Naomi's boat comes in. Within seconds, Desmond arrives in a dead sprint. This is not the boat we think it is, these people are not here to rescue us. Immediately, the tide is turned on our survivors and they find themselves hostage to this new group. The only people not there: the ones that don't go back to the beach - Locke, Rousseau, Alex, Karl.

I think we've all kind of assumed the show ends with them leaving the island - what if next season is back in the real world, more of an aftermath thing?

But. The cool thing that came out of tonight and what I believe will ultimately result in the rescue of the survivors of Flight 815: Penny should now have enough information to not only blow the lid off the cover-up, but to find the island and rescue everyone.

The hatch explodes with an electromagnetic blast that her team in the bunker picks up on. They have this new location, this new energy, that wasn't on previous maps. Penny begins sending out her transmission and continues to flood that location with her transmission which was successfully received when Charlie unjammed everything. Not only does she find out that Desmond is there, but she has confirmed her location, AND she knows that there is at least one survivor from Oceanic Flight 815 there as well. Being a woman of power and wealth, Penny is the only person with the means to expose the cover-up and does exactly that as she intensifies her rescue efforts for her love, Des.

And now for my final thought (sorry for the long post!). Tonight's flashforward not only gives us the fun game of figuring out who makes it off the island, but it suggests something bigger:

Does the show end when the survivors leave the island? Or, if they were all indeed brought there for a reason, are the consequences for doing such part of the powerful draw of the island that will continue to act on their lives after their escape in the final season(s)?

Just watched it again..... Ben told Jack that Naomi is not who she says she is... that she is working for people who have been trying to find the island for a long time. That history was about to repeat itself if he contacts her ship. Her people are the bad guys. When they get on the island, they are going to kill everyone, Jack's people and Ben's people. If Jack makes that phone call, everyone will die.

.....I think Ben was right.

I don't think we have any reason to believe Ben - he was so desperate not to let Jack make that call that I saw it more as him spewing anything he could to stop him.

Pekmboyd

05-24-2007, 03:22 AM

Hey guys - now that the show has aired I've merged the 2 threads together, but I haven't yet learned how to change the name of the thread so I apologize for the non-merged title.

OK - I tried to mess around with it and figure out how to change the thread title and I don't think it worked and I'm really sorry if I did permanent damage.

Purplex15

05-24-2007, 05:38 AM

I was so mad when bernard started telling them everything. I guess ben was smart to realize they would though. i was also mad when charlie died for no reason, he had enough time to get out of there. im glad he died but it could have been a little more iminent (sp?). All in all i liked the finale. I got so scared at the end that Locke would shoot Jack, im really glad that rumor was false. Im really sad that kate and jack aren't together. Was anyone else as irritated with the 5 minutes of show, 10 minutes of commercials ABC threw at us?

Ryabusa

05-24-2007, 05:39 AM

Don't be sorry Pekmboyd, its just a message board. No one's lives will be damaged. I was thinking the same thing about next season being with them off the island. Perhaps they will all feel drawn back and that will evolve into them coming back together and trying to get back in the following season and then culminating in the final season where we learn what was so important there and why they want to get back.

I really hated Bernard for being such a little bitch. Sayid should have killed him with his feet too. I still don't understand why exactly Charlie felt it necessary to lock himself in the room rather than leaving the room and closing the door behind him. Fucking martyr.

susanarosa

05-24-2007, 05:55 AM

Last night, right before I fell asleep, my boyfriend turned to me and said "It was Michael's funeral."

I think he might be right.

And what is it that Mikhail and Locke share that allow them to be shot and maimed and injured and never die?

And I also noticed the, "call my dad" thing that Jack said... is Christian Shepard really alive? Is that why they didn't find his body in the crash?

silentfire

05-24-2007, 06:02 AM

Wow! What an episode, lost definitely knows how to make great season finales!

Anyway since Im at work all I can say is that I think it is Locke at the funeral because no one likes him after that moment and he had no friends to begin with since he was such a hermit/oddball in real life.

braunie

05-24-2007, 07:01 AM

Charlie wanted Claire and baby Aaron to be rescued, so he felt he had to die to save them. And he may have saved everyone else too, if Desmond can make it back in time. Say what you will about Charlie, he and Hurley were the comeback kids last night.

angiemarie

05-24-2007, 07:33 AM

Last night, right before I fell asleep, my boyfriend turned to me and said "It was Michael's funeral."

I think he might be right.

I agree with your boyfriend, I thought the same thing. Or it could be WAAAAALLLTTT's funeral. Kate wouldn't want to go to that funeral because Michael betrayed them all to get Walt off the island.

I thoroughly enjoyed this finale, even though we got more questions than answers. Sayid breaking that guy's neck with his feet was definitely the badass move of the night. And hurley was right behind him, driving the VW bus. Good thing they wasted a whole episode on fixing that thing. hee-hee

Pekmboyd

05-24-2007, 07:39 AM

Coworker found this: Newspaper article screenshot (http://bp1.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RlUMBmnofcI/AAAAAAAAALo/FQZLGQsfFyc/s1600-h/a04-full.jpg) and is convinced you can make out "The body of J" at the beginning of the article - so is it "John Locke", "James Sawyer Ford", "Johnson & Johnson CEO Benjamin Linus"................

susanarosa

05-24-2007, 07:41 AM

I also liked all the little things in the episode, like when Hurley was on the walkie-talkie with Jack and you see Sawyer in the background having a beer. And the look on Sayid's face after he killed the guy with his ankles. And the look on Rousseau's face when she knocked Ben out.

It was a very well acted episode.

braunie

05-24-2007, 09:59 AM

And the look on Rouseau's face when she was dragging Ben by the rope.

may1

05-24-2007, 11:24 AM

Great way to end a frustrating season.
I didn't realize Jack's flashback was really a flashforward. So a big surprise to me.
Waaallltt looked so big!!!
I knew Juliet was lying about the guns. Way to go Hurley!
I was pissed at Bernard and his diarrhea of the mouth.
Since one eye guy pulled the plug, did he die too??
We didn't see Charlie really dead, so...next season maybe Desmond does something and saves him?
Yay, Penny knows where they are & Desmonds with them.
I was suprised at the Jack's dad being there comment. wtf?
Great episode. Still trying to figure out whose funeral.

chooch850

05-24-2007, 11:27 AM

Bernard is just a dentist....not Rambo.

ocyeoman

05-24-2007, 12:28 PM

chooch850

05-24-2007, 12:32 PM

The LOSTIES have killed way more OTHERS. They really are a vindictive bunch.

ocyeoman

05-24-2007, 01:26 PM

The LOSTIES have killed way more OTHERS. They really are a vindictive bunch.

Yep, and the Others have spared them on many occasions. Frankly, if they were really that bad they could have just wiped out the survivors as soon as they took the ones they wanted. This makes me think that Ben wasn't being all that duplicitous when he was pleading with Jack.

chooch850

05-24-2007, 01:33 PM

Hoffs Drawler Funeral Home.....anagram for Fast Forward.

....and Ocyeoman, I love the word duplicitous.

chooch850

05-24-2007, 02:23 PM

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t158/chooch850/obit2.jpg

See if you can figure it out.

Firecat

05-24-2007, 03:12 PM

I turned my computer screen in all different directions, but still can't make out the missing words.

Chris

05-24-2007, 03:31 PM

It looks like the last name has to be Lantham or something like it. Which means one of two things for me: We don't know this person yet or someone's name was changed once they left the island.

jampony

05-24-2007, 03:51 PM

Keoni

05-24-2007, 05:07 PM

chooch850

05-24-2007, 05:21 PM

Sorry guys... I'm posting alot on LOST. I'm just still really pumped about the finale and I'm not gonna see it again till January. I have things I wrote down when I watched it the second time and I'm just gonna post 'em now and get it out there.......they are quite random, but so am I.

Jack was sportin' a real beard ala Charlton Heston.
Sawyer: "so, you screwing Jack yet?"
Ben was writing in a journal in his tent...wouldn't that be interesting to read.
Ben told Richard he would go confront Jack alone and for them to continue to the temple as planned. Hope we get to see that temple.
" Let's hope your not." Sawyer to Kate when she brought up pregnancy.
...you all everbody.....you all everybody Such dumb lyrics, but they're stuck in my head.
Big ol' flat screen TV in the waiting room at the hospital where the little kid waved to Jack. Anothe clue of a FF.
Juliet said that the rock busting was for building a runway....hmmmm.
Kate looked so different in the end scene because she had no freckles.
Mikail used a wet gun to shoot the girls, thus proving my earlier theory wrong, that wet guns don't work.

.....and Mikail said something to the girls about Canada and I didn't catch it.....did anyone else??

Ok.... I think I'm done rambling.... hope I can find something to watch on TV tonight......May sweeps are over.

chooch850

05-24-2007, 05:28 PM

I haven't read the whole thread...

But, has anyone wondered if Ben took Walt to Jacob's house as part of Walt's tests? And that maybe Walt was smart enough to not say anything about what he saw or heard. And the Others lost interest and let him go.

And maybe Walt (or imaginary Walt or Island manifestation Walt) is to Locke as Jacob is to Ben?

I think Walt could see and communicate with Jacob just as Locke could and Ben wanted him gone. That's why he let them leave the island.....but only after Michael did his bidding.

.....and Walt was really a form Jacob took to motivate Locke to get out of the ditch.

Pekmboyd

05-24-2007, 05:36 PM

And maybe Walt (or imaginary Walt or Island manifestation Walt) is to Locke as Jacob is to Ben?

Ooooooo, I like that!

.....and Mikail said something to the girls about Canada and I didn't catch it.....did anyone else??

He said (not exactly, but close): I thought you two were on assignment in Canada - to the two women in The Looking Glass

Ryabusa

05-24-2007, 06:05 PM

I think Charlie was singing "you are everybody" Annoying nonetheless, but maybe a clue? To what I have no idea.

Ever since this episode I too have been thinking that maybe the Others are, in actuality, good guys. That everything they are doing, they truly believe is for the greater good of mankind. Maybe they really want to win the "Best Village" Award. (Gold Star to whomever gets that)

I really think it was Ben in the coffin. Don't know why, just have a feeling. I'm wondering if next season will be the story of the rescue and everyone trying, yet failing, to assimilate back into life leading up to where this episode left off. I don't fucking know nothing though.

duckncvr

05-24-2007, 06:06 PM

Go Hurley! I had mad love for him in this ep. I also loved the butt whooping by Jack, Sawyer and Sayid. I did feel bad that Tom was shot for some reason, though...

As for Jack's dad, he's for sure dead. Didn't they show last season (or whenever) Jack actually seeing the body in the morgue? When Jack's at the pharmacy, he says his father wrote the prescription, but flips out and leaves when the pharmacist tries to call senior Dr. Shepherd's office to confirm the prescription. When he tells the chief of surgery to bring his father down, and if Jack's drunker, he can fire him. The chief looks at him like he's lost it and Jack says "Don't show me pity" or whatever. I'm sure Jack's not really delusional, he's just saying to us, to the chief that his father was usually waaay drunker than Jack was right then.

One thing I noticed was Ben says to Jack "Every single living being on this island will be killed." I felt the use of the word "living" was odd...?

Someone had posted upthread about Tom and co. not following Ben's orders to kill the three: Ben didn't say "Kill" them, he said "Shoot" them.. Tom clearly wanted to kill them, but then said he did follow Ben's orders, even though he thought Ben was losing it. Anyway, I think they must have a code amongst them to only kill when he says kill them.

I was so sad for future Jack... :( And that stupid obit is driving me crazy!!! ETA: I did look a little closer and am sure the name starts "Jo"... hmm...

Chris

05-24-2007, 06:21 PM

I think Charlie was singing "you are everybody" Annoying nonetheless, but maybe a clue? To what I have no idea.

Actually, no. It is "You All Everybody".

You all, everybody
You all, everybody
Acting like you're stupid people
Wearin' 'spensive clothes

The lyrics are based on something a group of the writers heard someone say on the Phil Donahue show.

Keoni

05-24-2007, 06:54 PM

Just guessing here... the date the season finale took place was Dec 24th or 25th 2004 island time - this might suggest that the tsunami of December 26 2004 could hit the island (I know it's a stretch, but still...). And they keep referring to the location of Naomi's ship being off the island, that kind of points to this too. They keep referring to the ship, hint hint nudge nudge.
Just a guess, but wouldn't this make for one big spectacular season premiere, to see a big ship being tossed onto the island by a huge tsunami wave. Kind of on the scale of the pilot episode.

best "village award" - the prisoner?

Ryabusa

05-24-2007, 07:00 PM

Actually, no. It is "You All Everybody".

You all, everybody
You all, everybody
Acting like you're stupid people
Wearin' 'spensive clothes

The lyrics are based on something a group of the writers heard someone say on the Phil Donahue show.

Sorry about that. Just part of the fallout of not getting into the show until the end of the first season. Driveshaft must have had some shitty songs.

Keoni, sorry but no. Good guess though, right nation of origin though.

Keoni

05-24-2007, 07:03 PM

wicker man (the original)?

Keoni

05-24-2007, 07:19 PM

It really bugs me that they promised more Libby in the flashbacks for season three, that she would "needle and thread" various back stories together. But we never saw her. And Bai Ling said she filmed three different episodes all at once, and we only saw her in one.

JasonR

05-24-2007, 09:13 PM

Um, another "Lost" mystery . . . . anyone know what became of Greybishop?

chooch850

05-24-2007, 10:26 PM

Greybishop is back..... He posted his 'HEROES' finale recap. Kronos did a recap of last weeks 'LOST' about Charlie and his 'Greatest Hits'. But I'm pretty sure GB will do the 'LOST' finale.

Pekmboyd

05-25-2007, 06:00 AM

I really think it was Ben in the coffin. Don't know why, just have a feeling. I'm wondering if next season will be the story of the rescue and everyone trying, yet failing, to assimilate back into life leading up to where this episode left off. I don't fucking know nothing though.

I really really really thought it was Ben in the coffin...until I saw the newspaper clips that look like "J........antham" because we know Benjamin Linus is not J....antham - so NOW, I'm convinced it's JACOB in the coffin.

JasonR

05-25-2007, 06:22 AM

Greybishop is back..... He posted his 'HEROES' finale recap. Kronos did a recap of last weeks 'LOST' about Charlie and his 'Greatest Hits'. But I'm pretty sure GB will do the 'LOST' finale.

That's good news. He'll certainly do the finale justice.

Ms. Tumnus

05-25-2007, 06:25 AM

.....and Mikail said something to the girls about Canada and I didn't catch it.....did anyone else??

This is at least the third time they've mentioned Canada -- Ethan pretended to be Canadian, the guy f-ing Ana Lucia threw in a pit (Evan?) was Canadian, now this. Is it because they think Canada is a harbour for terrorists? :rolleyes:

Ever since this episode I too have been thinking that maybe the Others are, in actuality, good guys. That everything they are doing, they truly believe is for the greater good of mankind.

But then why not just tell the freaking Lostaways what they're up to? Fuck. They don't want the losties to leave the island, but they don't want to let them in on what they're doing, nor on why they don't want them to leave.

It really bugs me that they promised more Libby in the flashbacks for season three, that she would "needle and thread" various back stories together. But we never saw her. And Bai Ling said she filmed three different episodes all at once, and we only saw her in one.

Oh hell, I hope we don't see more Bai Ling. Once was more than enough.

NikBot

05-25-2007, 06:34 AM

oh, i love this show. some thoughts:

i think ben&others aren't totally evil, just misguided. i.e. ben's brainwashing, kidnapping of karl in order to spare alex's life... they think they're doing the right thing, but their means aren't very nice...they're still kidnapping babies and sporting evil glares (Ethan looked mean)... plus Ben betrayed and killed all his people (dharma didn't look too evil).

(i think i saw this somewhere else, and i agree) the ship that's been looking for them for so long must be the remaining few from the dharma initiative, the ones who were maybe back in the normal world recruiting people... ben cut all signals and they've been looking for the island, since ben's betrayal, to salvage their research or for revenge or to find out WTF happened??? i guess we won't know until feb...

AND, i know lots of people disagree on this but... I love Jack. it's not easy to lead!

LonnaSaur

05-25-2007, 07:03 AM

In that shot of the newspaper it looks like, further down, it says "from a beam," which to me says that whoever was dead in the coffin killed him/herself by hanging. That made me think of the old man in Shawshank Redemption, who gets out of prison after all those years and can't make it in the "real" world so he commits suicide--by hanging himself. Someone from the island must not have adjusted too well to life back at home.

Ryabusa

05-25-2007, 07:17 AM

But then why not just tell the freaking Lostaways what they're up to? Fuck. They don't want the losties to leave the island, but they don't want to let them in on what they're doing, nor on why they don't want them to leave.

I agree, if that is the case, that their methods are less than stellar. But I think Nikbot made a great point that they are "misguided." For whatever reason they have decided that Ben is to obeyed no matter how nutty his orders, and he didn't exactly have the most stable upbringing it seems. The guy that ordered imprisonment and brainwashing of his daughter's boyfriend to keep her from getting pregnant might not see full disclosure to this group of miscreants (mostly) as his best strategy.

The more I look at the picture of the article it seems like there is a big crinkle in the paper and the "J" may be on the line below where we've been thinking it is. Locke would totally fit the mold of the old guy that gets out and can't handle life in the real world. But I hope its not him. I like watching Locke kick ass, even when we don't know what the hell he is thinking.

PaulieWalnutz

05-25-2007, 08:03 AM

Was no one else bothered by the fact that Tom and his crew didn't execute Sayid, Bernard, and Jin when they were ordered to? I mean, they just killd seven of their friends. Why would they spare them? To me that and many other things suggests the others aren't as bad as we are being led to believe.

I am pretty sure that Ben told them not to kill the prisoners before that whole communication. Tom was complaining that Ben had lost it and that they should have put the bullets in the prisoners instead of the ground.

So I think Ben had thought a head and told them that if it came to it not to kill them but to make it look like they did.

Pekmboyd

05-25-2007, 08:08 AM

OK, take this for what it's worth - coworker found this on an Easter Egg site, it's SUPPOSEDLY the text of the newspaper notice:

The article Jack on LOST was reading: "The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

LonnaSaur

05-25-2007, 08:39 AM

So I was right about death by hanging. I could make out that much at least. I still say Shawshank Redemption--someone couldn't handle it back home. Of course, it begs the question-was this guy on the island? We don't know anyone by that name.

katydydnt

05-25-2007, 08:49 AM

I read somewhere that the producers said Jack's dad IS dead and that we should be wondering where the body is, since it's not in the coffin. So unless the flash forward is taking place in some alternate reality (which makes my brain hurt just thinking about it), I think Jack was not all there when he was talking about his dad being drunk.

eaburns

05-25-2007, 08:58 AM

It could be Locke in the obit, he could have changed his last name???? Did anyone catch the part when Kate/Jack were meeting at the airport and Kate said "I have to get back, he is going to start to wonder"? It made me wonder if her and Sawyer are together after they get off the island. I don't think I can wait until 2008 to find out what happens!!!

susanarosa

05-25-2007, 09:37 AM

Well, if it really says he is survived by one teenaged son, I'm definately still sticking with my earlier Michael guess.

But it could very well be someone we haven't met yet.

Clair

05-25-2007, 09:39 AM

Pekmboyd

05-25-2007, 09:55 AM

I'm really leaning toward the deceased being somebody we don't know yet. But, I keep changing my mind :)

PaulieWalnutz

05-25-2007, 10:39 AM

Ben was writing in a journal in his tent...wouldn't that be interesting to read.

http://www.lost-repetitions.com/bensdiary.jpg

The small writting is enough to give you a headache, but if you save the picture you can increase the size and it is a tad bit easier to read

chooch850

05-25-2007, 10:45 AM

Ohhh Paulie....thank you so much for finding that. They are going to the temple. They hafta show that next season. I'm hoping the island is the main story line again. We will find out about those toes!!!

...once again, thanks Paulie!!!!

Clair

05-25-2007, 11:17 AM

That's really cool, Paulie. Thanks! Don't you wish you could grab the journal and read the entire thing!?

I noticed that when I clicked on your link, after the picture came up, I waited a while and an icon poped up in the bottom right corner that says (with a mouse hover) "Expand to regular size" and when I clicked it, the image became larger.

PaulieWalnutz

05-25-2007, 11:21 AM

Ellsbells

05-25-2007, 11:51 AM

Let me preface this with I have no idea if this is real (I would assume it is not as it is posted on YouTube).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLNJQR70f5c

Interesting either way.

NP Cooch, just wasting time at work finding random links!

I think this is something that the creators made to keep everyone interested between the first and second seasons. They had a phone # you could call and listen to voicemails from Dharma employees. There was also a website that if you searched hard enough, you could find "easter eggs" throughout and find different things. Some were of videos, some of maps, and some of random experiments they were conducting.

LonnaSaur

05-25-2007, 01:59 PM

If the dead man is Michael it seems strange that Walt wouldn't go to the viewing. The funeral director said no one came at all.

If Kate really is on her way home to Sawyer after she runs into Jack then it sucks even more for Jack since he told her he loves her. If that's true then no wonder he's so sad if she's with someone who isn't him. Especially Sawyer.

Every time we see the Others' camp with their tents and lanterns I think of Civil War reenactors or the movie Gettysburg. Ben is Grant or Robert E. Lee sitting at his field desk writing out orders. I don't know why but that's what I think of every time.

Carawatches2muchTV

05-25-2007, 03:06 PM

Paulie, those links were both great, I can't wait to share them with my Lostie buddies.
Random thoughts about this episode in no particular order:
Did anyone else think that the song playing on the radio in Jack's car as he drove to meet Kate was a Driveshaft song? Not "You All Everybody" (that would have been cool) but definately had that (crappy) vibe about it. Of course, if Charlie really died...then...but Naomi did say there was a resurgence of their hits after he "died" in the plane crash and that there was a Greatest Hits album that "was everywhere" for a while.
Sad Pathetic Future Jack is only slightly more annoying than Island Jack.
Definately think it was Michael's funeral. "They" must've changed his name/identity to keep the secret - although, obviously the Lostie who returned to the "real" world obviously knew his "new" name by the time he died. Just a theory, the funeral home did appear to be in a "black" neighborhood, just saying.
The drunk dad comment really threw me as well, by that time I had sorta figured out this wasn't a flashback. I don't know, just WTF? Maybe Dr. Daddy wasn't dead afterall but I can't figure that one out. I think the other Dr. would've been may more "WTF are you talking about?" if Dad were known to be dead. Jack was very specific that his Dad was "upstairs". Weird.
And lastly, I've thought for a while now that the Others are not all bad or even necessarily misguided, just that they are the keepers some HUGE secret/master plan that they CANNOT reveal, for whatever fucked-up reason, to anyone not on the mutha-fucking LIST. Remember the LIST?! Locke is on it... Kate isn't. That list?!
Sayid can put me in a head lock anytime and Hurley totally rocks. Sawyer needs to break out of his "I-killed-Locke's-Dad" funk though. Maybe he's had that "dream" for so long that he just doesn't know what to live for anymore. Possible fatherhood perhaps?
Well, that's my piece for now. Great ep, frustrating as hell, but still great.

jampony

05-25-2007, 03:44 PM

I don't really have anything to add to this thread but I just wanted to say that I'm having a great time reading everyone's ideas. And "welcome" to the newcomers... it's great to have some new views and I hope you all stick around and post in other threads, too!

Oh, wait, I do have something to add. At the end, Jack told Kate he thought she might be at the funeral and she said something like "why would I be there?" It makes me think whoever died either wasn't known very well or wasn't liked very well. So I'm agreeing with Pekm, I don't think we know the person yet. Another mystery!

chooch850

05-25-2007, 03:52 PM

The song on Jack's radio was Kurt Cobain and Nirvana if I'm not mistaken. I think Firecat would know that.

here4beer

05-25-2007, 03:59 PM

I just finally watched the episode and this thread is very helpful, because I was totally blindsided by the flashforward. But wow... what a way to end the season! I'm actually really excited for next season now, and I call a truce with the writers of Lost. (For now. I reserve the right to rescind that statement on a whim.)

I only have some very random and totally unhelpful stuff to add-

- Hurley rocks my socks
- The creepier Ben becomes, the more I like him. He's definitely my favorite TV villain now (sorry T-Bag!).
- Rousseau's casual elbow to Ben's nose was so very excellent. :) That's one bad bitch.
- Jack + Beard = not a good look. Ew.

And OMFG- Waaaaaaaaaalt!! Woohoo!

Keoni

05-25-2007, 08:00 PM

chooch850

05-25-2007, 08:17 PM

chooch850

05-25-2007, 08:23 PM

Was bearded Jack in LA or New York?
Didn't the Obit say the man died in New York? Why was there a funeral service in LA where Jack was? And Kate had settled in LA too?
Maybe the funeral was for someone we've yet to meet? A Joe/Joseph or Joshua Lantham?

Bearded Jack was definitely in LA. The date is 4/22/07 and the obit is in the Real LA Times of that date. So it is 3 yrs. after the crash. The satillite call was made on the 93rd day on the island. I think the obit meant the dead person was originally from NY.

Ryabusa

05-25-2007, 08:29 PM

Ok, I've been trying to think of who could be in the coffin (of course). And I was thinking, IF it is someone we already know, then it must be someone that is either A) lying about their name to the other survivors, or B) someone that had a reason to change their name and pretend to be someone other than who they were before they got on that flight. Who has used/may be using a fake name? Sawyer and Kate. Obviously, we can eliminate Kate from this. We also know that Sawyer's real name is James. A lot of us assumed, myself included, that Kate was referring to Sawyer in her conversation with Jack. Well, maybe not. Kate could have a plethora of reasons for not wanting to attend Sawyer's funeral. Or, he could become Father of the Year. We just don't know at this point. We also know that Sawyer killed a man in Australia. If the Others know that we can assume that the authorities know that, giving him a very good reason to change his name, that covers B. Also, Sawyer coming back into the world where he in now a killer (several times over), wanted, and has no one in his life (most importantly Kate and possibly their child) could drive a man like that to suicide.

Again, this is nothing but weak-ass hunchery, but its a possibility. I guess. Any thoughts?

Ryabusa

05-25-2007, 08:33 PM

Oh yeah, and Sawyer is TOTALLY the kind of guy that no one would show up at his funeral.

chooch850

05-25-2007, 08:49 PM

Ok, I've got this bit of info from TOS too. It was found on another site. This info is about a man named Jeremy Bentham, who, in real life, was a european philosopher. If the ...antham is really ...entham ( the paper is so crinkled in that spot, the 'a' you see may not be part of the last name) it could be the name. LOST writers love to use real names of certain people. John Locke for example.

Check it out...... just throwing it into the mix.
Quote:
The name in the HD screen caps is clearly Jeremy Bentham. Here is some info about this European philosopher... very interesting indeed!

Who he was...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

The Prision he designed, which was made to be able to observe all prisoners without the prisoners knowing they were being watched to create a power of mind over mind...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

And lastly the socail power club he belonged to called the Jacobin Club (JACOB)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_Club

Now who is this guy? I'm gonna guess it's Locke (an alias from one European philosopher to another) or the guy who made it possible for all the whispers to exist(Read the prison part and you'll understand what that even means).

chooch850

05-25-2007, 10:04 PM

I had the date of the LA Times wrong...it's 4/5/07

I found a copy of the paper...http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t158/chooch850/paper1.jpg

here4beer

05-26-2007, 03:18 AM

http://ack-attack.livejournal.com/370261.html?page=1#comments

Make sure you scroll up to the top of the page. For some reason the link starts at the comments.

That was hilarious... thanks for posting, chooch! And it's very reassuring to know I am not the only one that does the keysmash when discussing Lost. :lol:

TVgasm should try and pull her over here (no offense to GreyBishop, but that link was super funny).

jampony

05-26-2007, 07:44 AM

Must give credit where credit is due..... I got this site from a post from DDD at TOS. It IS the greatest LOST recap ever.

http://ack-attack.livejournal.com/370261.html?page=1#comments

Make sure you scroll up to the top of the page. For some reason the link starts at the comments.That was hilarious... thanks for posting, chooch! And it's very reassuring to know I am not the only one that does the keysmash when discussing Lost. :lol:

TVgasm should try and pull her over here (no offense to GreyBishop, but that link was super funny).
OMG! I totally didn't follow that link before because I'm waaaay too lazy to move my mouse that far up the screen but then h4b was like you have to read this and I was like I totally don't want to but h4b was like has chooch ever steered us wrong before? and I was like IDK and h4b said do it so I did and I was like hahahahaha *gasp* hahahaha! omg!!!one! it was so frakkin funny!

Best line: And then Sawyer was all like MY NAME IS JAMES FORD. YOU KILLED MY FATHER. PREPARE TO DIE.

(Thanks for the link, chooch! And thanks for the endorsement, h4b! And thanks to everyone at tvgasm for not talking like this!)

Pekmboyd

05-26-2007, 08:14 AM

Sayid can put me in a head lock anytime and Hurley totally rocks. Sawyer needs to break out of his "I-killed-Locke's-Dad" funk though. Maybe he's had that "dream" for so long that he just doesn't know what to live for anymore. Possible fatherhood perhaps?

Which totally fits in with the Inigo Montoya Princess Bride thing - once he's fulfilled his mission he doesn't know what to do with his life.

I just finally watched the episode and this thread is very helpful, because I was totally blindsided by the flashforward.
I only have some very random and totally unhelpful stuff to add-

- Hurley rocks my socks
- The creepier Ben becomes, the more I like him. He's definitely my favorite TV villain now (sorry T-Bag!).
- Rousseau's casual elbow to Ben's nose was so very excellent. :) That's one bad bitch.
- Jack + Beard = not a good look. Ew.

And OMFG- Waaaaaaaaaalt!! Woohoo!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who totally didn't see the flashforward thing until the very end - seems like everybody's all "oh I knew it" so I felt like a dork. And I agree with every random comment :) Especially the elbow to Ben's nose - LOVED that part.

OMG! I totally didn't follow that link before because I'm waaaay too lazy to move my mouse that far up the screen but then h4b was like you have to read this and I was like I totally don't want to but h4b was like has chooch ever steered us wrong before? and I was like IDK and h4b said do it so I did and I was like hahahahaha *gasp* hahahaha! omg!!!one! it was so frakkin funny!

Best line: And then Sawyer was all like MY NAME IS JAMES FORD. YOU KILLED MY FATHER. PREPARE TO DIE.

(Thanks for the link, chooch! And thanks for the endorsement, h4b! And thanks to everyone at tvgasm for not talking like this!)

Ok I haven't read the link yet, but I just have to say that I TOTALLY thought of The Princess Bride during that scene. And the comparison makes me love the producers of this show even more :)

JulieM

05-26-2007, 08:46 AM

jampony

05-26-2007, 09:02 AM

I'll cop to the I didn't know it was a flash forward. I'll even cop to that when Jack and Kate were together in the end that I thought to myself...omg they really knew each other in the past. I'll cop to the fact that my darling ten year old came down and said..."whoa, I didn't know they could do a flash forward. Ho cool is that?"

Scuse me while I go sit on the idiot couch.

Your bravery and courage inspires me, Julie! So I'll own up to the fact that I, too, thought Jack and Kate knew each other in the past. :blushing:

One of the theories I've read about is that Kate is really an Other so between Jack's brief alliance with the Others this season and the scene at the end between Jack and Kate, I really did think it was the past. Of course, I didn't need a ten-year-old to tell me it wasn't. I figured it out all by myself -- once I read this week's Lost thread!

Ellsbells

05-26-2007, 05:13 PM

The song on Jack's radio was Kurt Cobain and Nirvana if I'm not mistaken. I think Firecat would know that.

Yes it was definitely a Nirvana song - "Scentless Apprentice"

Hubby is a MAJOR Nirvana fan. So much so that he wanted to name our son Cobain...

here4beer

05-27-2007, 12:21 AM

I'll cop to the I didn't know it was a flash forward. I'll even cop to that when Jack and Kate were together in the end that I thought to myself...omg they really knew each other in the past. I'll cop to the fact that my darling ten year old came down and said..."whoa, I didn't know they could do a flash forward. Ho cool is that?"

Scuse me while I go sit on the idiot couch.

OK, I wasn't even thinking about Kate and Jack not knowing each other in the past, that's how stupid I am. My thoughts went like this when she showed up:

"Who? Wha? KATE?!"
"..."
"She looks pretty."
"Shut up Jack"
"Golden ticket? Wha? Huh? Ohhhhh it's the future!"
*slight hyperventilation*

I am officially dumber than your 10 year old. So sad, lol.

Also-- if Naomi isn't working for Penny, why does she have a picture of Desmond?? Could Naomi be working for Penny's father?

PaulLev

05-27-2007, 01:37 PM

...Also-- if Naomi isn't working for Penny, why does she have a picture of Desmond?? Could Naomi be working for Penny's father?

Yes. Or she could be working for anyone else, and pretending to Penny that she's working for her, just to get more information about Desmond.

jampony

05-27-2007, 01:54 PM

Yes. Or she could be working for anyone else, and pretending to Penny that she's working for her, just to get more information about Desmond.

Pretending to Penny? I thought Penny said "Naomi who?" or something like that, indicating she didn't even know her.

secretbroccoli

05-27-2007, 07:11 PM

mmkay so i know this is quite a long shot, but then what about LOST isnt??

jacks dad. never found the body after the crash right?
future jack. thinks his father is alive.
island. wierd healing powers that unparalyses people and heals gsw and brings back sonic-walled-foamy-mouthed-bleeding-from-the-ears-harpooned-in-the-chest-one-eyed men.
anyone else adding these up??
could it be possible that jacks dad actually is alive in the future??

it wouldnt be totally out of the realm of possibilities for a show like LOST...plus youve got all the agelessness of Richard and probably most of the Others and Bens comment about every "living" human being on the island being killed by Naomis boat

i dont know. maybe im just crazy?

Pekmboyd

05-27-2007, 07:46 PM

Is anybody else starting to confuse Lost and Heroes? Like, couldn't Linderman bring Jack's dad back to life? And maybe Mikhail has Claire's healing powers?

chooch850

05-27-2007, 08:11 PM

Wait till The 4400 comes back on for this summer...... I'll have them all confused...LOL....actually I can't wait. That show is great and will keep me happy for awhile.

Clair

05-29-2007, 03:59 PM

I ran across this theory on another Lost site:

I'm thinking that Kate (in the flash forward) is with Jack's dad, not Sawyer. I'm guessing that this is one of many horrible things that have happened to Jack since coming back from the island. It could certainly drive anyone, even Jack, to drinking and drug abuse. We already know he suspected his father as the "other man" with his previous wife. Maybe this time it's actually him. And maybe that's why Jack's dad is still drinking heavily after coming back to life on the island. And maybe that's why Kate has a real nice car now.

here4beer

05-30-2007, 03:55 AM

BAH!! my eyes!!! Wrong thread!!!!11

Must... Not... look...

(I haven't seen the Heroes series finale yet. It won't come on until next week here.)

chooch850

05-30-2007, 09:49 AM

.......uhmmmm, cuz Peter's not on LOST, he didn't fly off the island. Nathan came and flew him to his own show Jampy.

braunie

05-30-2007, 12:04 PM

Did you see the time she posted it? Maybe she was sleep-posting??

jampony

05-30-2007, 03:50 PM

Luckily for me, I'm a moderator now. I have the ability to make the embarrassing stuff just disappear. :blushing:

psst... pek! help me!

Pekmboyd

05-30-2007, 04:06 PM

Luckily for me, I'm a moderator now. I have the ability to make the embarrassing stuff just disappear. :blushing:

psst... pek! help me!

Done! Now it's just a really confusing string of people talking about a post that isn't there anymore! :) It's over in the Heroes thread where it belongs now :)

jampony

05-30-2007, 04:12 PM

Ha! So THEY all look like the goofballs? Gotta love that. Thanks, pek! :winkiss:

TaniaNicole

12-29-2007, 02:50 PM

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t158/chooch850/obit2.jpg

See if you can figure it out.

Note the last name as ending in antham, and the first 2 letters of the first name are Jo.

Locke grew up in foster care, who knows what his last name really is.

I am sooo hoping it is not Locke in the coffin. I will cry.

I hope it is Michael. Walt might not be there because he is needed on The Island.

The producers have confirmed that we already know the person in the coffin, it is not a character we have not seen. :(

They have also confirmed that Christian Shepard is indeed dead, but then they throw out little things to make us wonder if that is true. Many people are adamant that he is still alive, and many people are adamant that he is dead. There is much arguing about it on any Lost forum you go to. I refuse to think anything until we know for SURE, lol, it would make me nuts to speculate on CS with all the confirms and then the hints that he's still alive, then more confirms, then more dropped hints. lol. These guys are great Creators and they certainly know how to keep everyone guessing and waiting and watching.

Highlight for spoiler..........

The commercials are saying that 6 people leave the Island. They call them The Oceanic 6, and they are all semi-famous when they return home from The Island.
Stop reading now if you don't want to know who those 6 are.

Last chance to stop reading......

You sure you wanna know?

Positive?

OK, then.

Kate, Jack, Sayid, Sun, Jin, and Hurley leave The Island and go home.

However, before you freak out, the producers have said that Jack's Flash Forward was NOT necessarily in present time. Much more is going to happen after the FF we saw with Jack and the other 5 until the end when we are up to date.