Lost: The Other Woman (3/6)

[stupid]

OK, theory time. Desmond is shipwrecked on the island during a “charity race” sponsored by Charles Whitmore who it just so happens wants to find the island. Ill bet the “charity race” is just a cover. The real purpose of that race was to use the sail boat contenders to unwittingly comb that part of the pacific because he knew eventually one of those boats would run across the hidden island and disappear. Narrowing down where the location might be. Which would make Desmond being the one to find it not such an unrealistic coincidence.

And how about Ben. Hes a real smoothie with the ladies isnt he.

[jampony]

I don't know why but I'm just not a Juliet fan. I don't NOT like her, but to me, last night's episode was just boring. I can't even think of anything interesting to comment on. :sleeping:

[animalcrackers]

i think i am going to rewatch this one because i felt like i was distracted last night. i didnt feel like anything was really shocking or surprising. i really wanted someone to kill charlotte.

[Pattijo]

I don't know why but I'm just not a Juliet fan. I don't NOT like her, but to me, last night's episode was just boring. I can't even think of anything interesting to comment on. :sleeping:

I agree.

[Pekmboyd]

I think this episode suffered in comparison to last week - it wasn't bad, it just wasn't two-Desmonds good. It felt like the palate cleanser between two powerful courses.

[TinkerbellAPixie]

I would have loved for Juliette to kill Charlotte after the way she clocked Kate and then tried to kick Juliette's ass.

So Juliette is doomed to be The Other Woman, first with Goodwin and now with Jack. And what did you all think of Goodwin's wife? How did she know about Charlotte and Dan? I mean Ben's been otherwise occupied so how did Piper (was that her name) get the info to get to Juliette? And boy was she ever fun - no wonder Goodwin cheated on her.

That Tempest station was interesting. Was that where Ben got the chemicals to kill the Dharma people? And if that was a Dharma station - why did they have that sort of station in the first place?

And why did Ben roll over and give in to Locke? I mean I realize he probably wasn't giving in but unraveling some new plot of his own. The look on Hurley and Sawyer's face was priceless when they saw Ben strolling outside.

And did anyone catch when Ben asked Locke if his rabbit dinner had a number on it?

See I found this episode to be fascinating - but I am a diehard Lost groupie.

[gasmilicous]

I thought this episode was B-O-R-I-N-G and I am a diehard Lost groupie as well. We didn't learn anything new, there was no shock factor at the end and it was blaaaahhhh.

The best parts of the whole show were Ben saying: YOU ARE MINE! (pause) Take as much time as you need.

And at the end, the look on Sawyer and Hurley's faces. Ben: See you at dinner. HILARIOUS!

Also, how the F do Charlotte and Daniel know Juliette??

[PaulieWalnutz]

Also, how the F do Charlotte and Daniel know Juliette??

They know Juliette from the beach with Jack. I asked the same thing and my wife pointed it out. At first I thought somehow Juliette was Ben's "man" on the boat but my wife was correct they were together the whole time during the desmond jumping around.

I don't like how they left us hanging about who Ben's man on the boat is... all we know is that Locke needs to sit down for it. Ben said that at about 45 minutes in and they didn't go back to it. I was very pissed to not find that out.

[TinkerbellAPixie]

Ben's man on the boat is going to be Michael. Michael's name has been in the credits the last few episodes. I'm sure he's the one who opened the door for Sayid and Desmond last week. And whatever Ben told Locke was good enough to get Locke to allow him to walk around the Other's compound unescorted.

[gasmilicous]

They know Juliette from the beach with Jack. I asked the same thing and my wife pointed it out. At first I thought somehow Juliette was Ben's "man" on the boat but my wife was correct they were together the whole time during the desmond jumping around.

OMG...duh. Thank you.

I don't like how they left us hanging about who Ben's man on the boat is... all we know is that Locke needs to sit down for it. Ben said that at about 45 minutes in and they didn't go back to it. I was very pissed to not find that out.

Yea, and the producers said we would find out this episode! It's gotta be Michael. UNLESSSSSSSS Ben has mastered the time traveling with body AND mind and is traveling back and forth between the island and the boat, thus making him his own man on the boat. :blink:

[TinkerbellAPixie]

UNLESSSSSSSS Ben has mastered the time traveling with body AND mind and is traveling back and forth between the island and the boat, thus making him his own man on the boat. :blink:

That would explain how he got to Piper (?) to tell her to have Juliette go after Charlotte and Dan.

[gasmilicous]

"Piper" = Harper. FYI. :)

[gasmilicous]

Question: When Ben had the Red Sox tape and told Locke that he taped over it (with the Widmore video)...he had to have done that while on the island, right? Because didn't he show Jack the video of the game when he was locked up in that fish tank thing??

[PaulieWalnutz]

UNLESSSSSSSS Ben has mastered the time traveling with body AND mind and is traveling back and forth between the island and the boat, thus making him his own man on the boat. :blink:

I thought about this too, it would make sense... but then why would they come to the island searching for Ben if he was already on the boat. They know who he is don't they?

I agree that it has to be Michael... the question is, how did Ben get him to work for him?

[PaulieWalnutz]

Question: When Ben had the Red Sox tape and told Locke that he taped over it (with the Widmore video)...he had to have done that while on the island, right? Because didn't he show Jack the video of the game when he was locked up in that fish tank thing??

That is a good point, I think it gives us a clue as to the timing of the events on the island. So basically in lost time, it was only a couple of weeks ago that Ben taped over the game. That is some crazy stuff. If Ben can time travel, can he bring stuff with him when he does it or does he get all naked like the terminator? I just quivered a little bit thinking of Ben naked... sorry about that

[gasmilicous]

I thought about this too, it would make sense... but then why would they come to the island searching for Ben if he was already on the boat. They know who he is don't they?

I agree that it has to be Michael... the question is, how did Ben get him to work for him?

Yea, I'm pretty sure Michael is the man on the boat too...especially since the previews said we would see "a face we never thought we'd see again". I just like to think of all the angles. Plus at this point, everyone expects it to be Michael, so now I'll almost be disappointed if it is.

IF it was Ben...he could just be traveling in consciousness, in which case no one on the freighter would see him. I dunno. I'm sure it's Michael.

[herb789]

Am I the only one who was thinking Harper (Goodwin's wife) in the woods talking to Juilette was the smoke monster and not actually Harper? My friend said to me "Then why did Jack see her too?" But I pointed out that Sawyer saw Kate's horse and most people believe that to be the smoke monster.

[chooch850]

I totally agree with most everything you guys said today. This episode didn't tell me anything new and I kept expecting it to. I got so excited when Ben told Locke he would show him something. I thought: "Ben always gives us a big 'oh my god' moment and here it comes". No such luck. The only new thing was that Goodwin was a married man and Juliet was a whore.... oh wait, we already knew that too.

Big disappointment!.... I hope someone deciphers the whispers so I can at least find out what they said. Those are always fun.

[gasmilicous]

Am I the only one who was thinking Harper (Goodwin's wife) in the woods talking to Juilette was the smoke monster and not actually Harper? My friend said to me "Then why did Jack see her too?" But I pointed out that Sawyer saw Kate's horse and most people believe that to be the smoke monster.

I thought that too because the whispers always seem to coincide with the smoke monster (and dripping wet people delivering news of some sort). But yea, when Jack saw her, then I was like oh she must be real. Although she did disappear into thin air it seemed....

[gasmilicous]

Oh, and in keeping with my usual spreading the knowledge...here's a good read on last night's episode: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182755,00.html

[TinkerbellAPixie]

Another fantastic article - and I had forgotten that Ben mentioned the kids to Juliette - yet at the time I really reacted to that. It seemed with the mention of the rabbit and the kids there were a lot of nods to episodes past. I really like those.

[stupid]

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Michael is not the man on the boat because it’s too freaking obvious that it is him. And since when is LOST ever predictable? I’m going to say it’s someone who we think is dead. Because why would Lock need to sit down if it was Michael? Lock’s broken back spontaneously healed in a plain crash on a magical island with smoke monsters and polar bears! Who gives a s@*t about Michael?

[stupid]

And did anyone ells believe Ben when he said “if my people wanted me back they would have stormed this place.” Ill bet that Ben had the others abandon the barracks because he knew the castaways would eventually move in. No need to kidnap them. They know where we are. Lets bring them too us and make it think it was there idea. I think Lock lead the sheep to the slaughter house. Harper said Ben is adsacly where he wants to be. Maybe the others are sneaking in and receiving orders from Ben.

[jampony]

Am I the only one who was thinking Harper (Goodwin's wife) in the woods talking to Juilette was the smoke monster and not actually Harper? My friend said to me "Then why did Jack see her too?" But I pointed out that Sawyer saw Kate's horse and most people believe that to be the smoke monster.
I thought that, too. Her appearance seemed so odd and out of place; I feel like she can't have been a real person.

Another fantastic article - and I had forgotten that Ben mentioned the kids to Juliette - yet at the time I really reacted to that. It seemed with the mention of the rabbit and the kids there were a lot of nods to episodes past. I really like those.
These "nods" to earlier episodes are great and all, but it's been so long for some of them I don't remember the significance. It's a little annoying. And I refuse to do research on a TV show to figure it all out.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Michael is not the man on the boat because it’s too freaking obvious that it is him. And since when is LOST ever predictable? I’m going to say it’s someone who we think is dead. Because why would Lock need to sit down if it was Michael? Lock’s broken back spontaneously healed in a plain crash on a magical island with smoke monsters and polar bears! Who gives a s@*t about Michael?
Yeah, I don't think it's Michael, either. Maybe Walt? I don't know if Locke would have to sit down for that, but it would be a bit of a coincidence since Tall Walt saved Locke after Ben shot him. Hmmm... I just typed "Henry" instead of "Ben". Weird.

[angiemarie]

I thought that too because the whispers always seem to coincide with the smoke monster (and dripping wet people delivering news of some sort). But yea, when Jack saw her, then I was like oh she must be real. Although she did disappear into thin air it seemed....


I thought she was the smoke monster, too.

Last night's episode was pretty dull, I'm not a Juliet fan, either.

[stupid]

What happened in the series that makes us all assume that the visions (Jack’s dad, Hurley’s friend, Kate’s horse, Echo’s brother) is the smoke monster in a different form? We know the monster can’t cross the sonic fence to the barracks and Ben saw his dead mom there when he was a kid. So she couldn’t have been the smoke monster which means the other visions might not have anything to do with the smoke monster either.

[Pekmboyd]

OMG...duh. Thank you.



Yea, and the producers said we would find out this episode! It's gotta be Michael. UNLESSSSSSSS Ben has mastered the time traveling with body AND mind and is traveling back and forth between the island and the boat, thus making him his own man on the boat. :blink:


I don't think it's true, but I have to pronounce that I LOVE LOVE LOVE this speculative statement.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Michael is not the man on the boat because it’s too freaking obvious that it is him. And since when is LOST ever predictable? I’m going to say it’s someone who we think is dead. Because why would Lock need to sit down if it was Michael? Lock’s broken back spontaneously healed in a plain crash on a magical island with smoke monsters and polar bears! Who gives a s@*t about Michael?

I will be kind of bummed if it turns out to be Michael - this person's favorite speculative statement is that it's Charlie (husband's idea during episode last night).

Which got us thinking, and it could be lots of people we "never thought we'd see again" - Boone, Shannon, Eko, Jack's dad....I'm hoping in a great manner that it will be less obvious than Michael.

[jampony]

I don't think it's true, but I have to pronounce that I LOVE LOVE LOVE this speculative statement.

I will be kind of bummed if it turns out to be Michael - this person's favorite speculative statement is that it's Charlie (husband's idea during episode last night).
This is a fun little game! I don't know why but it took me forever to figure out what "speculative statement" meant.

Which got us thinking, and it could be lots of people we "never thought we'd see again" - Boone, Shannon, Eko, Jack's dad....I'm hoping in a great manner that it will be less obvious than Michael.
Or Libby or Lucia or even Locke's dad.

[stupid]

This is a fun little game! I don't know why but it took me forever to figure out what "speculative statement" meant.


Or Libby or Lucia or even Locke's dad.

I wondered that myself. If anything would make Lock need to sit down I would say that was it. And Ben made Lock bring his dads body back. It is fun to think about.

[TinkerbellAPixie]

Which got us thinking, and it could be lots of people we "never thought we'd see again" - Boone, Shannon, Eko, Jack's dad....I'm hoping in a great manner that it will be less obvious than Michael.

I love the idea of it being Jack's Dad. Of all the people you listed, Jack's Dad is the only one we haven't seen die. We heard of his death and we know that's why Jack went to Australia, we even saw his coffin at one point (I think) but did we ever see his dead body?

[stupid]

I love the idea of it being Jack's Dad. Of all the people you listed, Jack's Dad is the only one we haven't seen die. We heard of his death and we know that's why Jack went to Australia, we even saw his coffin at one point (I think) but did we ever see his dead body?

I think there was an episode in season 1 when Jack identified his body in Australia. But if you go to ABC.com they have a segment called “LOST missing pieces” which are 3 minute long clips we haven’t seen before, that take place randomly in the last 3 seasons. And one that surprised me is the one when Jacks dad is in the Jungle petting the dog Vincent. He tells him to go wake his son Jack up who is sleeping in the bamboo garden just after the plain first crashes on the island. Why would the smoke monster appear as Jack's dad to Walt’s dog? I think it really was Jacks dad.

[stupid]

Ill bet Michael is on the boat. He’s just not Ben’s man on the boat. I think they are trying to trick us.

[giffordsaz]

Have you all given ANY thought to ABC not having an ending that will pull this all together?
That the joke will be on us?

[stupid]

Have you all given ANY thought to ABC not having an ending that will pull this all together?
That the joke will be on us?

They claim they have an ending. I’m sure EVERY question won’t be answered but the important ones will. I doubt ABC hired a team of incredibly talented writers just to sit in a room and try to come up with a show that creates a huge and dedicated fan base just so they can leave us hanging. That sounds like something Dr. Evil would come up with.

[giffordsaz]

Or the Sopranos

[here4beer]

ladies and gentlemen, Harold Parrineaus name has been in the credits all season long. We have yet to see his face, ergo, Michael = Bens man on the boat. I hate that this has been made that so obvious, but if Im wrong Ill eat my socks for dinner on Thursday.

gasmi- thanks much for that link. Im just starting the article but this really blew me away:
''The Other Woman'' gave us a new Dharma facility, a power plant known as the Tempest. Much can be said about the name assigned to this station — beginning with this piece of insight, offered by reader Keith Stuart, who was inspired to do some pre-broadcast prep after reading about the Tempest in my Doc Jensen column on Thursday. Stuart reminds us that The Tempest is, of course, a famous play by William

Shakespeare and that Lost seems to have much in common with the Bard's final masterwork: ''It is a comment on the Renaissance pastoral genre, in which the natural environment is often characterized as a restorative, magical force. In the play, the troubled royals are washed up on a strange island and find that they must grapple with the social and political problems of their normal lives, but within a strange new context of magic and disorientation. Sound familiar?'' Sure does! Keith thinks of Ben as Prospero, ''the magician at the center of the island's seductive madness,'' though he declines to say who's the equivalent of Prospero's imprisoned fairy, Ariel. Maybe he thought making a connection to Juliet was too obvious.
IN the infamous words of Elodie: OH! EMM! GEE!!!

[LonnaSaur]

I have to agree with Jamp and some others-this episode was a disappointing snooze. It's hard for me to say that because unlike some of you, I actually like Juliet. But I dunno, the whole time I was watching, I kept thinking of other things, like making a grocery list, or needing to unload the dishwasher.

Stupid, I don't think the sonic fence thingy is keeping the smoke monster from moving around the island. I was under the impression that it turned out the fence was actually not turned on. I seem to remember that but I could be wrong. Or it could have been turned back on by now, I don't know.

My creepy crush on Ben just continues to get worse. Someone save me from myself!

[gasmilicous]

What happened in the series that makes us all assume that the visions (Jack’s dad, Hurley’s friend, Kate’s horse, Echo’s brother) is the smoke monster in a different form? We know the monster can’t cross the sonic fence to the barracks and Ben saw his dead mom there when he was a kid. So she couldn’t have been the smoke monster which means the other visions might not have anything to do with the smoke monster either.

Correct, the smoke monster cannot cross the barracks - but Ben saw his dead mother when he turned off the force field, and crossed over the line, entering into the jungle.

The smoke monster coincided with the whispers, as do the sightings of the dead people, etc. Plus we have seen it scan Eco's memory and what not, which makes us believe it can take an image from your memory and project it back to you.

[gasmilicous]

gasmi- thanks much for that link. Im just starting the article but this really blew me away:

IN the infamous words of Elodie: OH! EMM! GEE!!!

You are welcome! Yea...

Shakespeare’s The Tempest is a play about a sorcerer, Prospero, and his daughter who were stranded on an island for 12 years after being shipwrecked in a large storm. The survivors of the shipwreck are separated into several groups, each believing they were the only survivors. Prospero eventually uses his magic to ensure everyone’s safe return to Italy. Sound a little familiar to another story?

[gasmilicous]

From executive producer Damon Lindelof:

''Yes, we know you have all figured out who Ben's man on the boat is. But once we've confirmed that for you, there's still TEN MINUTES OF SHOW LEFT.''

AAAAAANNNNND:

Entertainment Weekly's response: How? Think this through, my fellow Lost theorists: Michael's return to the Island defies storytelling logic. According to the well-researched timeline housed at lostpedia.org, Michael and Walt left the Island 67 days after the crash of Oceanic 815 — in other words, late November 2004. But the freighter has been offshore since mid-December. Surely it took longer than just a couple weeks for Ben to get Michael in position.

So: How? How can Michael really be on that boat?

Here's the link if anyone is interested. Awesome article. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20183737,00.html

[LonnaSaur]

From executive producer Damon Lindelof:

''Yes, we know you have all figured out who Ben's man on the boat is. But once we've confirmed that for you, there's still TEN MINUTES OF SHOW LEFT.''

AAAAAANNNNND:

Entertainment Weekly's response: How? Think this through, my fellow Lost theorists: Michael's return to the Island defies storytelling logic. According to the well-researched timeline housed at lostpedia.org, Michael and Walt left the Island 67 days after the crash of Oceanic 815 — in other words, late November 2004. But the freighter has been offshore since mid-December. Surely it took longer than just a couple weeks for Ben to get Michael in position.

So: How? How can Michael really be on that boat?

Here's the link if anyone is interested. Awesome article. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20183737,00.html


I'll read it after I see the episode in case there is anything I don't want to know. I don't know how Michael can be on the boat, but I kinda think he is. On the commercials, when the voiceover tells us we'll see someone we never expected to see, and the person's shadowy head comes into view, it certainly looks like Michael-hair, doesn't it?

[gasmilicous]

There's no spoilers in the article. It's always just theory and speculation, but with merit since the writer interviews the producers. The producers would never give anything away but they like to make our heads spin. (I don't know why I give into that kind of torture, but so be it.)

They post an after-episode article tomorrow as well.

[TinkerbellAPixie]

The producers would never give anything away but they like to make our heads spin. (I don't know why I give into that kind of torture, but so be it.)

I am also anti-spoiler, but I love these articles. They really delight me - so thanks for continuing to post them.


''Jeff: I am convinced that Harper, as she appeared in the jungle, was indeed a manifestation of Smokey/the Island. What is your opinion on this matter?'' —CS

Clay: You are not alone. Many of you e-mailed suggesting the possibility that Harper could be the Monster. Was Harper's profession a clue? Harper was an all-knowing psychotherapist — and Smokey has the power to probe minds. I have long argued that Smokey is capable of taking human form, and more, that he/she/it has more on its cloudy mind than just killing castaways. Smokey could be manipulating our heroes toward various ends, much like the Island's other resident evil, Ben. Which suggests a possibility: Is Ben a manifestation of Smokey? Or, put another way: Is Smokey a manifestation of Ben? Tune in next week when I put some more flesh on this theory.

Is that maybe how Harper watched Juliette and Goodwin when they snuck off together, she took her smoke form to trail after them. :scared:

[here4beer]

Entertainment Weekly's response: How? Think this through, my fellow Lost theorists: Michael's return to the Island defies storytelling logic. According to the well-researched timeline housed at lostpedia.org, Michael and Walt left the Island 67 days after the crash of Oceanic 815 — in other words, late November 2004. But the freighter has been offshore since mid-December. Surely it took longer than just a couple weeks for Ben to get Michael in position.

So: How? How can Michael really be on that boat?

Here's the link if anyone is interested. Awesome article. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20183737,00.html

Maybe Michael ran into the boat trying to get off the island? And we all know Walt has some kind of special abilities, perhaps he communicating with Ben, then relaying instructions to Michael? This is all just ridiculous speculation (duh), but remember that Michael doesnt want anyone to find the island, either, since he will not want anyone to know what he did while he was there. (Even though 90% of the world let out a huge cheer when he shot Ana Lucia).

[stupid]

Maybe Michael ran into the boat trying to get off the island? And we all know Walt has some kind of special abilities, perhaps he communicating with Ben, then relaying instructions to Michael? This is all just ridiculous speculation (duh), but remember that Michael doesnt want anyone to find the island, either, since he will not want anyone to know what he did while he was there. (Even though 90% of the world let out a huge cheer when he shot Ana Lucia).

That’s what I was thinking too. Ben gave Michael a specific set of coordinates to fallow and if he followed them precisely he would find rescue. And the boat had a range of only about a hundred miles (Sawyer’s guess). Ben made it sound like he was going to run into a bigger vessel.