Lost: Cabin Fever (5/8)

[TinkerbellAPixie]

Last night's episode was so full of WOW moments that I had to watch it twice last night. And I don't think I'm done watching.

So Locke was chosen FROM birth! Richard Alpert was right there looking on and looking as young and handsome as ever.

Loved that we got another flash back instead of a flashforward - and that was QUITE a flashback. All the way to Locke's birth. Damn.

How many chances did they give Locke to come join them? He's lucky they don't give up easy. Or is he?

And it seems like all the speculation that Claire might be dead is looking to be true. And that Christian - boy does HE get around.

Interesting to see Hurley's reaction to the pit o'Dharma Dead. My real question is what magic on that island kept his chocolate bar from melting in his pocket in the heat of the tropical island?

So Locke is tasked with moving the island, Sayid is going to save people with a tiny boat, Desmond has to stay alive on a doomed bigger boat, Jack has to use a walkie talkie to stop a heavily armed and somewhat crazy army guy... seems everyone has some pretty big work to do.

And next week we see how the Oceanic 6 gets off the island.

Could my tvGASMS get any bigger?:w00t:

[roadtripper8]

WOW is right, Tink.... my brain still hasn't processed what went down last night. Except for my gorgeous ship captain getting shot... dammit! Keamey is officially dead to me now for killing him.

[TinkerbellAPixie]

That reminds me - Keamy was unable to kill Michael - the unkillable. I still think that's why Ben couldn't kill Mr. Widmore. I think he has a similar thing going on.

Keamy is EVIL - he really is cold hearted. Poor doc. He shoulda seen what was coming.

[roadtripper8]

I had forgotten that Michael can't die until the island "lets" him.

How does one go about moving an entire island?

[jampony]

What was with that question "which items already belong to you"? And why'd Alpert get made when John picked the knife? That seemed like the right choice for who John becomes, doesn't it?

If Claire is dead, where's the baby? I know Christian said he's "where he's supposed to be" but who's he with? More dead people?

[roadtripper8]

What was with that question "which items already belong to you"? And why'd Alpert get made when John picked the knife? That seemed like the right choice for who John becomes, doesn't it?


I totally thought so too. I wonder what the "right" answer was? Alpert seemed to smile when young Locke paused over the book. I couldn't make out which book it was (I had to catch up on it this morning and was kind of distracted). Anyone else catch the title?

[TinkerbellAPixie]

If Claire is dead, where's the baby? I know Christian said he's "where he's supposed to be" but who's he with? More dead people?

Sawyer has the baby - he found him crying in the woods last week when he woke up and Claire was gone.

I couldn't make out which book it was (I had to catch up on it this morning and was kind of distracted). Anyone else catch the title?

The Rule of Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law <--not sure if this relates or not.

[roadtripper8]

Hmmmm.... interesting. Thanks, Tink!

[gasmilicous]

I had forgotten that Michael can't die until the island "lets" him.

How does one go about moving an entire island?

I think they will just change the island's bearings so that anyone who already knows where it is...it won't be there anymore. I think this whole moving the island idea could explain the Oceanic 6. Sayid gets the other 5 of them back to the Freighter but when he goes back for the everyone else on the beach the Island has moved and no one knows how to get back. Remember last season when Jack has that map and is clueless on where the island is?

What was with that question "which items already belong to you"? And why'd Alpert get made when John picked the knife? That seemed like the right choice for who John becomes, doesn't it?

The test they gave Locke when he was a kid…that’s the same type of test they give the Dali Lama to determine how the next one is chosen. Something about reincarnation. Like children who may be the reincarnation of the Buddha are presented with items, some of which belonged to the most recent Dalai Lama, and are asked to choose which items "already" belong to them. Interestinggggg

Side note...wasn't Ben's mother's name Emily too? Ben/Locke brothers? Half brothers?

[angiemarie]

My favorite part of last night's episode was seeing Cedric Daniels from The Wire. He was the guy who was pushing Locke's wheelchair at the rehab place. The same guy who went to visit Hurley at the mental hospital. He has the nicest voice.

Claire really creeped me out last night. She looked so smug and evil when she was in the cabin.

The time change/difference from the island to the real world must fluctuate, because the Dr. washed up on shore BEFORE he was killed on the boat. Everything else that happened up until that point was delayed on the island.

Can someone tell me if I'm remembering something correctly? I remember Jack visiting the morgue in Australia and identifying his dad's body. Did that really happen on the show?

[gasmilicous]

My favorite part of last night's episode was seeing Cedric Daniels from The Wire. He was the guy who was pushing Locke's wheelchair at the rehab place. The same guy who went to visit Hurley at the mental hospital. He has the nicest voice.

Claire really creeped me out last night. She looked so smug and evil when she was in the cabin.

The time change/difference from the island to the real world must fluctuate, because the Dr. washed up on shore BEFORE he was killed on the boat. Everything else that happened up until that point was delayed on the island.

Can someone tell me if I'm remembering something correctly? I remember Jack visiting the morgue in Australia and identifying his dad's body. Did that really happen on the show?


I think something freaky is happening with dead people on the island. I think Jack's dad AND Claire are both dead.

[gasmilicous]

Alpert seemed to smile when young Locke paused over the book. I couldn't make out which book it was (I had to catch up on it this morning and was kind of distracted). Anyone else catch the title?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law <--not sure if this relates or not.

From lostpedia...back in season 2, Eko mentioned the Book of Law to John Locke when he told him the story of Josiah.
Eko said that The Book of Law is more commonly referred to today as the Old Testement.

[WeBeLo]

I think they will just change the island's bearings so that anyone who already knows where it is...it won't be there anymore. I think this whole moving the island idea could explain the Oceanic 6. Sayid gets the other 5 of them back to the Freighter but when he goes back for the everyone else on the beach the Island has moved and no one knows how to get back. Remember last season when Jack has that map and is clueless on where the island is?



The test they gave Locke when he was a kid…that’s the same type of test they give the Dali Lama to determine how the next one is chosen. Something about reincarnation. Like children who may be the reincarnation of the Buddha are presented with items, some of which belonged to the most recent Dalai Lama, and are asked to choose which items "already" belong to them. Interestinggggg

Side note...wasn't Ben's mother's name Emily too? Ben/Locke brothers? Half brothers?

Gasmilicious-- that is EXACTLY what I thought. I've been racking my brain ever since the Oceanic 6 was introduced trying to figure out why there are only 6 of them. Everyone just tells me that those were the 6 that wanted to get off the island. It would seem that way because everyone who's left has a reason for staying-- but then that doesn't account for all the other survivors. I know they are just extras but I didn't think they would have us believe that ALL of them wanted to stay. The 6 are the first batch... when they go back for more, the island is moved.

I didn't know that about the Dali Lama but I'm sure the writers did and they probably drew inspiration from that. I really liked that part of the show a lot. Richard seemed really pleased when John picked the sand (I'm assuming from the island) and the compass. I don't know why he got angry about the knife considering that's who John is now.

And to answer your question, Ben's mother's nameis also Emily. They could be half brothers-- or full brothers if she stayed with the guy she was with.

Crazy. Lots to think about.

[WeBeLo]

Did anyone else notice the picture on the wall when Richard went to visit John as a boy? He drew the smoke monster taking someone. Richard obviously knew exactly what it was.

I'm new here and haven't done much digging-- are there any theories as to why Richard doesn't age? I remember Ben asking him, "You remember birthdays, don't you Richard?" And that's when my wheels starting turning and I realized he never seems any older or younger.

Does anyone else think he may have been a pirate from the Black Rock? Possibly even the auther of the ledger that Mr. Widmore bought? That has to come into play again some time.

[Wayne]

What was with that question "which items already belong to you"? And why'd Alpert get made when John picked the knife? That seemed like the right choice for who John becomes, doesn't it?

If Claire is dead, where's the baby? I know Christian said he's "where he's supposed to be" but who's he with? More dead people?

I thought the comic book was probably the right item, due to the fact that it had on it "Hidden Island".

Fantastic episode this week.

[jampony]

Who was Emily? John's real mom or the woman who adopted him? And do we think Alpert IS John's father or should we believe his grandmother when she said to the nurse that she didn't know who Alpert was?

[rukahs]

long time lurker, first time poster (woohoo, what a momentous day!)

Ok, something that struck me while watching Cabin Fever. It's pretty minute, but it may mean something since hey, this is Lost. In the episode that was the flashback for Ben last season, Ben's mother Emily said before dying "Name him Ben". Right after Locke's birth, his mother Emily said "Name him John". Probably just a coincidence, I know. Just thought I'd put that out there for all of the "Locke and Ben are half-brothers through the same mother Emily" conspiracy!

Feels nice to contribute :)

[TinkerbellAPixie]

Welcome to the forums Rukahs - and what a great first post - I did not remember that part - but now I do and that gave me little lost-bumps.

Feels nice to have a new contributor :)

[stupid]

Did anyone ells notice how Matthew Abaddon (in the rehabilitation clinic) pronounced Mr.Lock? me-sta-lock It reminded me a lot of the way Walt always pronounced it. Almost like Abaddon is Walt from the future or something. He went on to talk about a miracle that happened to him. Almost as if quoting Lock after the crash when John told Walt about the miracle that happened to him in season one.

[FreewayShark]

I don't think Claire looked evil. I think she looked content. Like she knew she was in the right place or something.

[Carawatches2muchTV]

Hey Tink...miss me? Anyway...Seriously PLEASE tell me the LOST writers have a plan...

[Carawatches2muchTV]

Yeah...Welcome to LOST...where the dead refuse to stay dead...just sayin'. Who's crazy? Who's dead? Who's dead and living in Pergatory? Everyone has a therory. Only the writers know for sure and I wouldn't put money on that...but I'm just prayin' with the rest of the fans....Please God, Let the writers of LOST have a plan....

[TinkerbellAPixie]

I don't think Claire looked evil. I think she looked content. Like she knew she was in the right place or something.

I don't think she looked evil - but she seemed a bit smug to me.

Welcome to the forums Freeway :)

Yeah...Welcome to LOST...where the dead refuse to stay dead...just sayin'. Who's crazy? Who's dead? Who's dead and living in Pergatory? Everyone has a therory. Only the writers know for sure and I wouldn't put money on that...but I'm just prayin' with the rest of the fans....Please God, Let the writers of LOST have a plan....

The writers and creators have insisted that the island is not Purgatory.

And I do believe that the writers have a plan - and now that the show has a definitive end date to work towards the plan is in place and unfolding nicely.

I, for one, am more excited about the show now than I was during season one (if that's possible). I believe that everything we are seeing now has a purpose (unlike during the Nikki/Paulo episodes).

[Jinger]

Side note...wasn't Ben's mother's name Emily too? Ben/Locke brothers? Half brothers?

Who was Emily? John's real mom or the woman who adopted him? And do we think Alpert IS John's father or should we believe his grandmother when she said to the nurse that she didn't know who Alpert was?

Ben's mother died while giving birth, Locke's real mother was Swoozie Kurtz, she is the one that came to him to reunite him with his real father (the real Sawyer) so that he can con him out of his kidney so I don't believe they can be related in any way b/c Locke's mom was still alive long after Ben would have been born.


Can someone tell me if I'm remembering something correctly? I remember Jack visiting the morgue in Australia and identifying his dad's body. Did that really happen on the show?

Jack did ID the body in Australia and the casket was on the plane and fell into the jungle during the crash. I do find it way odd that Christian has the "authority" to speak for Jacob though...

Poor Desmond :scared: he's so screwed!!

Loved Ben telling Locke that destiny is a fickle bitch :lol:

[rukahs]

True, but is it possible that Cooper had used Swoosie Kurtz's character as part of the con on Locke? I cannot remember that episode too well (now I know what I'll do today...re-watch that episode!), but I do remember she was a little nuts. But this is Lost. It baffles my mind, yet I keep coming back for more. Unfortunately, the few friends I have that watch Lost are considering leaving the show because it's getting "too far-fetched" and "weird". (losers) :)

[1976Honi]

I am not up on all the Lost theories, but I think the island is a spaceship. I do not think its inhabitants are aliens, however. The spaceship theory explains so much, such as the Dharma presence in the desert, the polar bears (specimens) the space-time issues, the Staples-Lewis reference, and more little details.
This is just a theory, and someone else out there has, no doubt, already explored it. But there you have it.

[WeBeLo]

I found this over at docartz.com and thought you might be interested in seeing it. I was trying to compile a list myself, but this pretty much sums it up:


Unmistakable parallels between John and Ben have been drawn:

Both born to a mother named Emily
Both born prematurely
Both have a visitor from the Island almost immediately (Horace for Ben, Alpert for John)
Both are monitored by Richard Alpert from an early age
Both can see and know things that they shouldn't from early childhood
Both are raised by people who are largely indifferent to them
Both are social outcasts
Both kill their fathers
Both suffer, and subsequently recover from, serious spinal injury/disease
Both are aware of and can interact with Jacob

What are we meant to take from this? Are they in some sense brothers?

Are they flip sides of the same coin (as the Jack/Sawyer relationship?) Are they allegorically Cain and Abel? Which ties back nicely to Adam and Eve (the corpses in the caves)?

Given that the writers have done everything short of giving John and Ben the same name in their efforts to draw the parallel, what are we meant to take from it? Your thoughts?

[WeBeLo]

Ben's mother died while giving birth, Locke's real mother was Swoozie Kurtz, she is the one that came to him to reunite him with his real father (the real Sawyer) so that he can con him out of his kidney so I don't believe they can be related in any way b/c Locke's mom was still alive long after Ben would have been born.


I don't remember this flashback episode too well-- was there any proof that Swoozie was Locke's real mom? Being a conman, Locke's dad could have offered this woman money to pretend to be Locke's mom.

Who knows. Either way, I DO know-- even if they aren't the same woman, they have the same name for a reason and not for lack of originality.

[stupid]

Something that’s always bugged me is Rousseau’s story. She said she shipwrecked on the island 16 years ago and that the others took Alex right after she was born. But Horace said he had been dead for 12 years. He died during the purge so that means Rousseau’s ship wrecked 4 years before DHARMA was purged. Shouldnt she have seen the dirt roads the scientists the stations? I’m sure it was obvious to everyone that she wasn’t telling the whole story. But the loop on the radio tower being recorded before the stations were abandoned doesn’t make sense to me. And I don’t think it was a mistake by the writers.