There's No Place Like Home Pt.2 5/29

[animalcrackers]

all i can say is OH MY FREAKING GOD! that was an amazing episode! i'm still speechless!!!

[chooch850]

Well... I'm still high from all the action. Sayid was soooo macho sexy, I'm still quivering!!! So many questions were answered. I didn't expect that. Where do we go from here. I will reserve commenting more till I watch it one more time.... just bummed abit about "Jeremy Bentham".

[LonnaSaur]

What an awesome episode!

Sawyer sacrificing himself. Jin desperately running for the helicopter. Penny and Desmond!!

I am disappointed that Ben didn't care about or feel any remorse for the people on the freighter.

Totally random observation: When Miles was talking to Charlotte about whether she was going to leave the island, something about his facial expressions, or his hair, or his attitude-I am not sure what, reminded me of David Cook. Weird.

I can't believe we have to wait till fall for new episodes.

[chooch850]

I can't believe we have to wait till fall for new episodes.

I think we have to wait till January.......

[animalcrackers]

OMG! that was the most amazing episode!

the fight scene between sayid, kate & ben and mean freighter people was insane! that keamy was a really good bad guy! i was crying when jin was running towards the helicopter and sun was yelling. poor jin! and then when the freaking island disappeared!!!!!!!! loved loved loved this episode!!

[animalcrackers]

i watched good morning america today to see what the 2 alternate endings were. they changed who was in the coffin - the other people were Desmond and Sawyer!

(and thanks for moving my post over to this thread! greatly appreciated! my mind was blown away last night and i couldnt freaking think to create a new thread!)

[WeBeLo]

Hurley: I can't believe he did it. Locke moved the island.
Jack: No he didn't.
Hurley: Really dude? Cause it was there and now it's not, you have a better explanation?

LOL!

Loved Penny and Desmond getting back together.
WTF about Jin?? I love him!
And I am not accepting that Locke is dead. He's gonna pull a Christian Sheppard once they get back to the island.

[Clair]

I don't believe Jin is dead. My theory is that he jumped off the freighter before it blew up, swam to the small boat with Daniel and all the nameless extras, and Daniel in his infinite notebook wisdom knows where the island moved to, and they'll all motor over to it.

[smolls]

I hope you're right, Claire! I love Jin and really hope he comes back sometime in the future (or past since this is Lost).

And I love Sun kicking ass in the future (plotting her revenge for Jin's death)! Such a great episode...so many answers, so many questions, so much for my little brain to process!!

I hope they give us an update on Daniel and the "extras" in the boat and how did Locke die? How did he get off the island?

I don't think I can wait until January to find out....UGH!! :(

[Clair]

The Entertainment Weekly guy has a theory of where the island went. Since it might be considered a spoiler, I'll post it in the Lost spoiler section.

[gasmilicous]

Saw this theory on another site, and I like it...

I think that the Halliwax Orientation video that Locke watched in S4 Finale, along with the "making of the Orchid Orientation Video" on the Special Features of Season Three DVD set, coupled with the timeline of Flash Forwards and how Ben behaved after arriving in Tunisia after time traveling - give us the answer to "where (really when) is the island?"

In the Orchid Orientation video in S4 Finale, just before it spontaneously rewinds, it says that the rabbit will "appear to have disappeared but in reality"... Now, I cannot recall the exact amount of time that they planned to send the rabbit into the future, but it was a short amount of time ... a second or something. Note that it was imprecise in the "making of video" of Season Three Special Features when the other rabbit "appears" behind Halliwax while he's talking and the time displacement issues begin (he even rips the assistant as it happens, and she exclaims something about imprecision and they're still working on it.) My guess is that Dharma was trying to use the Negative Energy more precisely with their little "stupid experiments".

I believe the parallel with the frozen battery on the freighter is a sound connection to make - that Dharma had tried to "freeze" the source of the Negative Exotic Energy to more precisely control it in a cooled environment via the chamber they built. Ben trashed the chamber because he knew that they would need a bigger "burst" to move the island, and had to get through the chamber to access the lower room.

NOTE: why was the whole island move imprecise? Because of the inorganic matter on the island. It would have moved exactly a certain amount of time - but the Dharma stations, the plane crash wreckage etc ... threw it off? Just speculating....

To get back on track ... the island isn't gone, its just not there YET.

The island is a little more than three years in the future (2008 FF timeline.) Ben knows that (roughly three years went by), which is why he needed to know that exact date (not year) when visiting the hotel after he is transported to the desert. Maybe he wanted to know exactly how much time he had to get together the people to return to the island... to set his events into motion. (Note - I don't think all of the O6 plus Locke, Walt, Des, Ben etc NEED to go back to the island - I think that is a Ben Plan to get revenge on Whidmore and return to his leadership role on the Island and he WANTS them all to come. Otherwise, why is the island sending contradictory messages - telling Kate to keep Aaron away, telling Jack he has to come back? Why he needs Locke - who knows, maybe to show Richard and the other Others that Ben is Back Baby! I killed him, I brought Aaron back ... I am the leader again )

I also think that maybe ... John could be dead because he was SUPPOSED to move the island but didn't. Ben did. What does that mean? Still thinking about it. There's some contradictory logic in those two suppositions though, so I'm still daydreaming it out a little.

How Ben knows how far the island has moved into the future, I'm not certain. Could it be that a certain "revolution" of the donkey wheel is so many years? Therefore, the amount that he pushed it would result in a three year "disappearance?" Could it be that the writers will tell us and we'll all say "WOW!" when they do? Probably.

Also, interestingly, Jack's breakdown at the end of Season three ... his obsession to return to the island, seemed to increase the further along he went. Could it be that he just had to "fix this" too and was losing it, that he HAD to get the rest of his people home and couldn't reconcile what happened with his man of science perspective? Or, could it be that coupled with the fact that the island would soon be accessible again - and was calling him with renewed intensity? The same way that Michael couldn't die ... (producers already said that Jack couldn't kill himself in S3 because the island wouldn't let him) and Mr Friendly showed up ... Jack is DONE - addicted, suicidal, breaking and entering - and Ben shows up - ready to go back to the island. (One thing I loved about last nights episode ... when Kate and Sayid are promised by The Others that they could leave the island - she turns to Ben, and he says "yes, you can leave the island ... " but it was weird the way he said it, like yeah, I'll honor the agreement to let you leave, but I will figure out a way to get you back. Did anyone else pick that up?

Finally ... why else would they have done the Flash Forwards to when they did? The narrative picks up when the action will need to ... three years from the "moving" of the island. That's just practical.

[blane]

I agree with everyone else.

That what an awesome episode!

There aren't many shows that literally make me sit on the edge of my couch. God forbid if my hubby even swallows too loud. He gets "the look" that all we ladies know how to give.

I love this show!

[chooch850]

I know exactly what you mean Blane.... I almost cut my dog's paws off last night because he kept walking into the hall and his claws were tapping.... argh!!

[Cherie]

I loved everything about this episode. Even the stuff that made me cry! But I need to watch it a few more times. My brain cannot comprehend all that in one sitting.

Chooch, cut the dogs nails!!!:tonguewag:

[jampony]

I didn't think the big reveal at the end (Locke in the coffin) was that big of a deal. Sure, it's a new puzzle (how'd he get off the island?, why is his name different?, how'd he die?) but they've made him so unlikeable this season that I didn't actually care that he was dead. Still loving the show, though. I really hope chooch is wrong about waiting 'til January, but I think I read that somewhere, too. :(

[Wayne]

It is January/February next year for season 5.

Started watching the show again from Season 1 today.

[chooch850]

I totally agree with you Jampy. Locke sucked this season. I don't know what the writers were thinking. They just made him look clueless. The whole reasoning behind him taking Ben's place as leader just doesn't mesh with the storyline they gave him. The only thing he did was go in the cabin and it wasn't even Jacob he talked to... it was Christian & Claire.... Ben, pretty much did everything else. With Locke being in the casket only means that he sucked as the leader and they need Ben back.

(rant over)

By the way, I'm re-watching the finale now. Those damn whispers have still got me stumped.... has anyone deciphered these new ones?

[Ellsbells]

Go to this blog - they have all of the whispers figured out. Scroll down a bit and you'll see them all.

http://getlostpodcast.com/2008/05/29/lost-episode-4x13--quottheres-no-place-like-homequot-easter-eggs-screencaps-audio.aspx

[roadtripper8]

Harold Perrineau's (Michael) thoughts on his character being written out. Warning: my BS radar pinged on this one!

http://www.webstersismybitch.com/2008/06/race-card.php

[TinkerbellAPixie]

That's ridiculous - if anything Lost is one of the most racially diverse shows on television. And like Heroes, both shows are very good about having good and bad (or seemingly bad) guys and gals of all kinds of races.