Lost 5/13: The Incident

[here4beer]

Well, color me confused. I really have no idea what in the Egyptian-mythology-hell is going on anymore. It doesn't help that due to thunderstorms, I lost about 20 mins in the middle of the episode, although I have a feeling that wouldn't really make a difference.

The best I can figure at this point is that Jacob is actually the Egyptian god commemorated in the island statue, and The Thing Inhabiting Locke is... whoever that god's enemy is (that's horrible grammar, but it's early. sorry). We also had a little Greek mythology thrown in at the beginning, with Christian Shepherd spinning fate, too, didn't we? I'm so :confused: right now.

I also think it's sad and hilarious that Jack never believed in Locke while he was alive, but that stupid note somehow turned him into The Man of Faith. He then tells Alpert to trust Locke implicitly, so Richard does even though he knows that something is very wrong since Locke is dead and all, and that leads to the killing of Richard's God. In other words, epic fail. Thanks, Jack!

I'm looking forward to everyone's insights, since I'm completely at a loss here. The only thing I know is that everyone (except red-shirted Juliet, RIP seasons 3-5) is alive, since we have another season to get through. lol

I have some burning questions:
- did you cry when Sawyer let Juliet go? :(
- why did Jacob feel the need to see/ touch all of our Losties?
- weren't you happy to see Rose and Bernard (and Vincent!), and do you think they turn out to be Adam and Eve?
- why is Radzinsky such a dick?
- after all Jacob has lived through, he's killed off by the little green monster that lives in Ben. That's not a question, but it's kind of sad, right? (<-that's a question)
- who are the other Others? Why did Jacob recruit Not-Ana-Lucia to come to the island?
- don't you think a lot of these people just need to get a life? Seriously.

[kriskros09]

It was ridiculously sad when Juliet fell! My boyfriend laughed at me for crying over it. Also every time someone was shot or punched unexpectedly I gasped (he laughed at that too!).

So it seems like this whole thing is a struggle between Jacob (who we FINALLY got to see!) and that other guy (wish he had a name for goodness sake). I have to admit that unlike some other people I've talked to, I was not expecting Locke's body to be in the box. I guess I like to watch and go along for the ride and not try to guess while the show's on.

I had been wondering recently where the heck Rose and Bernard got to and I thought it was cute seeing them again. Although their cabin is the one that was eventually Jacob's house... interesting.

I think next season will have lots of mythology flying around.

So who thinks that the bomb was all part of the "incident" and who thinks what they did actually altered history? I did like that Miles pointed out that little tidbit about how what they were doing might just be the thing they already know about and not actually change a damn thing.

Thank you Lost for keeping us guessing all the way to the end and leaving us with a huge cliffhanger for the final season... IN 2010! WTF!

[angiemarie]

Could the not really John Locke be the smoke monster?

I cried when Juliet fell, and I don't even care for her much. I just felt so bad for Sawyer.

I have to say if I ever see Kate or Jack heading my way I'm running in the other direction! Death and destruction follow them like a plague.

It was so nice to see Rose, Bernard, and Vincent again. I hope that Rose and Bernard are the couple in the cave, that would be so sweet.

And I FINALLY figured out where I've seen not-Anna-Lucia before. She was on Rome! She played Gaia, the trashy whore who poisoned Titus Pullo's wife. I felt so much better when I figured it out, that was driving me crazy.

[chooch850]

When the incident occurs, those in 1977 remain there & "what happens, happens". They continue on as before in history. The "incident" is contained & the magnetic force is sealed in concrete & the hatch is built over it with the 108 button. Dr. Chang has the injured arm now in the orientation films. The "losties" return to the present where all the shit is going on with Locke & Jacob. They didn't change the past but instead were a part of it.

One other thing.... the hydrogen bomb needed to be detonated to stop the people from all being wiped out on the island. Faraday knew that. He wasn't trying to change the past, he was trying to save it. He just told Jack that he was changing it so he would continue what Faraday started.

Jacob also knew what was going to happened & went to each of our Losties to be sure that when they did crash on the island, they would be on his side. He knew his fate & needed someone there to help bring down these new "good guys". I'm thinking next season it will again be Jack against "Locke" in a fight for the island.

I think Richard is from the Black Rock. He said that Jacob has kept him from aging. That other guy with Jacob on the beach said that they come, they raise hell, fight with each other, have conflicts & it always ends the same. Rose also remarked that all you people want to do is fight with each other.

The conversation with "other guy" or "Locke" suggests that he & Jacob are playing a game, while the other guy believes that allowing others onto the island will only lead to negative outcomes - human dark tendencies even in paradise, Jacob believes man learning from his mistakes and progresses towards a better future. God/Satan battling for the souls of humanity? (this theory could explain the whispers of the first 2 seasons. It could be like these two god-like people are observing the actions of the people who come to the island.

It is also thought that the statue is a version of the Eygptian god Sobek who is the repairer of evil. Sobek held the Ankh in his hand representing his ability to undo evil & cure the ills of others. This would explain Locke & Rose being cured.

But then... in the opening scene... Jacob catches & cooks a red herring. We all know that a red herring is something that is put in a plot or story to throw someone off... hmmm... what could be the "red herring" on this episode?

It all reminds me of Star Trek. I'm sorry, I know that's lame but it reminds me of Q who was an evolved, god-like being who put the human race on trial because of their inability to stop fighting & having continuous conflicts instead of living in peace.

It was in the pilot - the backgammon game - 2 sides, one is light, one is dark.
Jacob is the light side player, the other guy on the beach is the dark player.
They can influence the "pieces" (people) but they cannot directly harm or reveal the other player.

They can use visions, dreams, manifest as real people (Christian, Locke), even resurrect, and apparently they can both use Smokey... all to influence the pieces.

Not sure what the prize is - the fate of the world? the amusement of these god-players?
Not sure how you "win"... by killing the other player? or is there another way to win?

Also, this may be obvious, but it was not Jacob trapped in the cabin, it was the Dark Player. And it was the Dark Player using Christian's body all along.
Did the Dark Player originally live in the Left Foot of the Statue before it was blown up? (since Jacob lives in the right foot)

(I just copied & pasted everything I wrote in other forums onto this post so I didn't have to re-write the whole thing again! Sorry if it all seems so random.)

[TV Cart]

Thanks Chooch! I was really impressed thinking that you had come up with all of that, lol.

Some things I can't seem to get through as they are too deep. Nice to read something that is fairly straight-forward.

[smolls]

OMG chooch -- you're a genius! Thank you so much!!! My poor little brain was mush after watching this episode....and your post really, really helps!!

I definitely got the feeling Jacob & "Faux-Locke" were like God & Satan battling for the souls on the Island or at least god-like with their abilities, etc.

Man I love this show!!! Even if it makes my brain hurt! :)

[chooch850]

- why did Jacob feel the need to see/ touch all of our Losties?


He never touched Juliet & she WAS wearing the red shirt which has been a "sure to die" symbol since the "Star Trek" days.

... besides, she's signed on for a new show this fall so I think, as they have been saying all along: "Dead is Dead."

[PunkyPoo]

Nooooo. Juliet has to be back!

[chooch850]

He never touched Juliet & she WAS wearing the red shirt which has been a "sure to die" symbol since the "Star Trek" days.

... besides, she's signed on for a new show this fall so I think, as they have been saying all along: "Dead is Dead."

I'm just speculating here.... I don't know if Juliet is dead or not... so don't think I'm trying to say that she is... I don't know for sure.

[here4beer]

Nooooo. Juliet has to be back!

She's dead as a doornail. Red shirt = death. It's a throwback to Star Trek, and how the guy who died every episode was always wearing the red starship suit.

@ chooch: when I said Losties, I was referring to the crash survivors. He touched them all in their past. I'm still confused about why... it could be that the future really is changed, and he touched them to help them change their destiny, or it could be he touched them to make sure they were pulled to the island and on his side. Or, as usual, I could be totally wrong.

[PunkyPoo]

Our family loves Lost. But no one but my husband has seen the first season. So after the season finale on Wednesday, we got season one on DVD. We're going to continue our Wed night ritual.

Anyway, we watched the first couple of episodes. Right when they landed/crashed. Jack was telling Kate about a tricky, nearly botched operation. He said he let the fear in, but only for 5 seconds. Wow, in the last episode this season, we saw the operation and Jack's dad telling him to count to five.

So now I have one more Lost thing to ponder. Did the writers have a grand scheme all along? Or do they watch all the old episodes over and over and come up with things they can plug in to make us wonder? Or are they just having fun messing with us? Maddening, but I can't stop watching!

[PunkyPoo]

Oh, and Cooch 850 also mentioned the backgammon game. Saw it in the pilot and couldn't help but wonder about what transpired in the recent season finale.
Bet we'll see a lot of black and white next season.

[jennaboa]

Wow. That was a mind-bender. And the scene with Juliet ... oh she better be alive. I am so sick of Kate and Sawyer it isn't funny.

And a dr playing god? Great. Jack can't get the girl and has to go blow up an island. (Grr, Juliet better not be dead. Her character has really grown on me and seems to balance Sawyer out, make his own character more rounded and real.)

I loved seeing Bernard and Rose. Does that make them Adam and Eve from the caves in the first season?

And at least we finally got a really good look at the statue and some of the hieroglyphics. I wish I had paid more attention to this is the past. So the statue is Sobek. I suppose the crocodile god of creation and controller of the waters having a statue on an island in the middle of no where makes as much sense as polar bears and Dharma Initiative Peanut Butter.

So if Jacob is Sobek (big if), I guess that makes The Man In Black Set (Seth or Set-An, Satan), the god of the dessert, storms and chaos. Neither are "good" gods, which makes me wonder about Jacob. (If he is Sobek and not Osirius. Or Horus. Or Anubis. Guh.)

I wonder what Smokey is. Maybe Ma'at, the goddess of judgment and truth, She was represented by a feather that Anubis weighed against a man's ka at the end of his life to determine whether he goes on in Duat if his heart (where they believed the spirit resides) gets fed to Ammit (lion/hippo/crocodile goddess; no polar bear) or goes on to Aaru (the island? Oh hell no.)

And it all sort of makes sense in that way of thinking. Maybe. Or not.

I had always assumed that the statues were of Anubis (the pictures weren't always that clear), but Set has the head of an unknown animal that greatly resembles a jackal but apparently isn't because Egyptology is nearly as confusing as Lost.

Nearly. Not quite.

[here4beer]

I thought it was Anubis, too, but that really doesn't count since

a) that's the only Egyptian god I know besides Ra and
b) I only know about Anubis from playing Cake Mania 3 (http://www.realarcade.com/promogamepass/cakemaniatm3)

[jennaboa]

But then... in the opening scene... Jacob catches & cooks a red herring. We all know that a red herring is something that is put in a plot or story to throw someone off... hmmm... what could be the "red herring" on this episode?

What if the red herring is a red herring? This show is nuts.

[kriskros09]

I just saw on ew.com that on the ABC recap (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648) of lost they said the statue was the Goddess Taweret.

In a quick wiki search you can read about Taweret and you'll see that she's viewed as a protector of pregnant women. The removal of the statue may have something to do with why babies couldn't be born on the island anymore... just a thought of mine.

[chooch850]

I had read that the statue could be Taweret. That sure would make all this fertility stuff relevant to the story finally.

I've been re-watching the other seasons. I just finished S#1 & I was so wrapped up in those evil "Others". Now they mean nothing. That makes me mad. The ones in the finale were just sheep following "Locke" down the beach. They used top be such fighters. Examples: Tom, Eye-patch Dude, the girls in the Looking-glass hatch, Danny, Ethan, Goodwin.... all dead at the hands of our beloved Losties. Those were the days!

I still miss Charlie.