Season Premiere 10-4 [Archive]

Firecat

10-04-2006, 09:43 PM

Thoughts?

It kinda moved slowly, although there were quite a few interesting things. It seems that the others have their own little slice of heaven right on the Island, which is bigger than I thought. They seemed kinda shocked at the plane crash....not sure what that means exactly.

Tabby Lavalamp

10-04-2006, 11:16 PM

Double L

10-04-2006, 11:37 PM

The fact that they had their own tropical suburbia was pretty darned shocking.

Well considering they were going to build a Wal-Mart down the street, I'd think so. :p But at least we got answers for the Polar Bears and the random Dharma Sharks. Not to mention, Jack is a stalker! And those Dharma guys have pretty good files... I mean seriously, I often wonder if my 3rd grade teacher is happy at this precise moment, wonder if they can pull her file.

jampony

10-05-2006, 03:51 AM

Juliet didn't seem surprised when the "earthquake" hit and she told everyone to get under a doorway. Were they used to the magnetic thingy going wacky? And where was Desmond? Are the happy shiny people of the village aware that he's locked up in one of the stations pressing a button every 108 minutes? I mean, I know Juliet was playing the same song that Desmond was listening to last year, but does she actually know where he is?

Kate seemed a little traumatized after the others brought her out the the cage. Wonder what they did to her.

Last season, did anyone else think that the others had no contact with the outside world? I was suprised when Juliet had Jack's file. And I totally thought Jack's wife was sleeping with his father and that Jack killed him! Jack seemed really upset that Juliet had the autopsy. Then they showed the wife with another guy so I don't know now.

What was up with the dramatic ending? Henry/Ben thanking Juliet for a doing a good job (breaking Jack down?), her forced "thank you" and then his overly theatrical stare into the distance? I didn't get that.

carewski

10-05-2006, 05:56 AM

Best comic relief: jailer to Sawyer, "Aw, you got yourself a fish biscuit."

Tenderest moment: Sawyer sharing said biscuit with Kate.

Creepiest moment: tie: Kate seeing the 'Wear This' locker and not Henry telling her how bad the next two weeks are going to be.

Funkiest hair: Jack's dad, as seen from behind. What's up with the skunk stripe?

Biggest disappointment: no Sayid, Eko or Locke.

Biggest relief: no Charlie.

jampony

10-05-2006, 06:34 AM

Interesting article (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=38514)from scifi.com. Possible spoilers.

jampony

10-05-2006, 06:53 AM

carabiner

10-05-2006, 07:36 AM

I didn't think the Others seemed surprised by the 'earthquake' Henry/Ben was all business when he was sending Goodwin & Ethan to track down any survivors.

Also, the song "Downtown" by Petula Clark was not the same song that Desmond played at the beginning of last season. That song was sung by Mama Cass, although I can't recall the name of it.

carabiner

10-05-2006, 07:41 AM

I was reading Ask Auseiello (oh... am I allowed to say that? it's not my favorite blog, I swear!) and he had some comments about Lost that completely confused me.

He said that Matthew Fox delivered an Emmy-clinching performance and that Julie Bowen uttered the single most heartbreaking line of dialogue this TV season.

Did anyone think Matthew Fox did exceptionally well last night? I thought it was just okay. And about his exwife... what single most heartbreaking line is this dude talking about?!? I'm clueless. Anyone have any thoughts about this?

I didn't think Matthew Fox was exceptional last night. But I think the line by Jack's wife they could be talking about is "It doesn't matter who he is. It just matters who you're not." That's what Sarah says when Jack asks her about her other man. I thought that was a good line since Jack can only seem to be happy when he's fixing something. But I seriously hope we've seen the last of Jack's wife.

Ms. Tumnus

10-05-2006, 07:49 AM

Also, the song "Downtown" by Petula Clark was not the same song that Desmond played at the beginning of last season. That song was sung by Mama Cass, although I can't recall the name of it.

"Make your own kind of music." It's great.

Funkiest hair: Jack's dad, as seen from behind. What's up with the skunk stripe?

My roommate actually blurted out “he looks like Paulie.”

I almost gave myself a Lost-induced injury at the beginning I whipped around so fast to blurt out "what the hell???" to my roommate at the beginning that I got a kink in my neck. Great.

I loved that the book she chose was Stephen King. He must adore that.

Anyone think that the other jailed guy was a mole? It seemed too convenient that he would escape just as soon as Sawyer turned up.

Juliet must be pretty damn strong to knock out JAck with a single punch. I know he had been drugged, but common. Maybe her gigantic heaving busom contributes to her strength.

Is she supposed to be Jack's new love interest?

angiemarie

10-05-2006, 08:48 AM

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I loved that the book she chose was Stephen King. He must adore that.

Did anyone notice which Stephen King book it was? I saw the author name but not the title. And the way the guy was dissing the book before the room started shaking was funny.

The beginning of the show was the best part. The rest of the show was kind of a letdown after seeing the Others in suburbia. I wonder if the French chick Rousseau knows about McOtherville?

Mark

10-05-2006, 09:11 AM

OH GOD LOVEDITLOVEDITLOVEDIT.

So my stream of consciousness:

Great opening scene. I really liked it. I thought the "earthquake" was the hatch exploding, and the people at the book club were in North America, feeling the shock of the electromagnetic thing. I notice they have CDs, and fairly new houses, so I guess they must be keeping in contact with the world.

FINALLY. Underwater hatch. Now everyone can stop wondering about that. :p Wondering, though, how Jack managed to attack Juliet. I thought there was all glass there.

Did Sawyer not learn anything from Ana LuLu? The prisoner is a fake, IMO.

Finally, Kate washed her hair. Hopefully, the water and conditioner are better than the hatch's, because I'm sick of seeing her messy hair every week.

I'm looking forward to seeing the most beautiful person in the world again next week. SUN LOVE.

Pattijoretired

10-05-2006, 09:33 AM

Did anyone notice which Stephen King book it was? I saw the author name but not the title. And the way the guy was dissing the book before the room started shaking was funny.

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I was wondering the same thing.

FINALLY. Underwater hatch. Now everyone can stop wondering about that. :p Wondering, though, how Jack managed to attack Juliet. I thought there was all glass there.

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I think she came to the door of his hatch area, after talking to him through the glass part. It took her some time to get around to him.

jampony

10-05-2006, 09:34 AM

Is she supposed to be Jack's new love interest?
I thought Kiele Sanchez (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0760989/) is his new love interest. Who knows? As long as they get over the Kate/Jack/Sawyer triangle, I'll be happy. Pick one, dammit!

Ms. Tumnus

10-05-2006, 09:53 AM

Did anyone notice which Stephen King book it was? I saw the author name but not the title.

Aparently it's Carrie. http://www.losthatch.com/images/screen_captures/S3E1_Book_Club_Carrie_SK.jpg

And looks like Ms. Clue was at the book club meeting.

A few questions (of course)

How did Benry know that there might/would be survivors? Not exactly a common occurance in plane crashes.

The bandaids on the arms: had the taken blood samples or injected the mysterious "vaccine" ?

The "system failure" powerful enough to pull down the plane, however there was nothing in Othersville "pulled" by the magnetic force. Did they not have metal objects? Seems to me that the oven, the muffin tin etc. are made of metal. WTF?

may1

10-05-2006, 09:54 AM

I loved this episode. In the beginning I was so confused, but loved the whole little town on the island. They had a gazebo!
The episode did answer some questions, and raised even more. I liked how they focused on the three captives, and their experiences. Kate did look stunned when they put her in the cage, and I love how Sawyer shared his biscuit. Jack showed he isn't as goody-two-shoes as he first appeared.
Man, does Julia have some big boobs.:scared:

I can't wait for more...

pearlblackdragon

10-05-2006, 10:18 AM

HO-LY FUCK!!!! That is the exact phrase I kept muttering to myself throughout the ep. Loved it. That whole Stepford-ville threw me right off.

I don't think the Others have contact with the outside world. I don't think it is a qwinky-dink that Kate was traumatized right before they showed Jack his "file". IMO they are torturing her for information. Any good evil guy only needs the very basics of information to "prove" that they have info on you and get you to spill even more.
I also think that Jack is NOT being experimented on. I think that they are breaking him down because they need another doctor. I betcha he becomes the victim of Stockholm syndrome. You can't conduct experiments w/o doctors.
I also think that they are going to get to SawyerMcHottie by using Kate. He does have a soft spot for her, and I think they will use that to their advantage.
I am also looking forward to the writers of this show smashing every theory I have to bits, and giving me something completely out of left field.
Man, I love this show!!!

ps-just in case : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

may1

10-05-2006, 10:22 AM

But if they don't have contact with the outside world, how did Julia have Jack's fathers autopsy report?:confused:

pearlblackdragon

10-05-2006, 10:35 AM

But if they don't have contact with the outside world, how did Julia have Jack's fathers autopsy report?:confused:

She didn't, it was a fake out. She didn't actually give it to him or even let him read it. She just said that it was his fathers autopsy report. Misdirection on her part to make him think that she knows more than she actually does, that is why Benry told her good job. (IMO)

bevo

10-05-2006, 10:43 AM

Loved the first five minutes, not too impressed with the rest. We got a couple of answers but a lot more questions. Maybe because it was a Jack-centric episode. He's the least interesting character, IMO.

I think the Others were surprised when 815 crashed, but they certainly knew what to do when it happened. Henry had Ethan and Goodwin mobilized pretty quickly, and he gave them specific instructions on what to do once they found any survivors: pretend you were on the plane, and get a list of names. The surprise seemed more like "finally, we get to execute our plan!"

I did like how the opening paralleled with the S2 premiere's opening.

Biggest disappointment: no Sayid, Eko or Locke.

I have to add Desmond to this list. :wub:

dsheridan5

10-05-2006, 10:52 AM

She didn't, it was a fake out. She didn't actually give it to him or even let him read it. She just said that it was his fathers autopsy report. Misdirection on her part to make him think that she knows more than she actually does, that is why Benry told her good job. (IMO)

Good point.

Also, did you notice there was some controversy between Ben and Juilette. At the book club Juliette said I picked the book, Ben's not here,....and something about Free Will. It makes me think that she is getting sick of Ben telling everyone what to do around there.

Is the little town they live in the same house that ended up in the background of those pictures of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer on the dock last season when they were tied up? Or was that just a mistake? hmm....

bevo

10-05-2006, 10:58 AM

Good point.

Also, did you notice there was some controversy between Ben and Juilette. At the book club Juliette said I picked the book, Ben's not here,....and something about Free Will. It makes me think that she is getting sick of Ben telling everyone what to do around there.

And, when Jack was opening the hatch door, Benry and Juliet both bolted for another door, but Benry deliberately shut it before she got there. What's up with that?

wendy_loohoo

10-05-2006, 12:59 PM

Aparently it's Carrie. http://www.losthatch.com/images/screen_captures/S3E1_Book_Club_Carrie_SK.jpg

And looks like Ms. Clue was at the book club meeting.

Thanks Ms. Tumnus I was wondering about that. Is it a not to them taking Walt? I haven't seen the movie in forever and never read the book, but didn't they both have similar powers? Is that why it would irk Ben/Henry?

HO-LY FUCK!!!! That is the exact phrase I kept muttering to myself throughout the ep. Loved it.

That is so funny, I had a very similar reaction mine was HOLY SHIT! And my BF just keept muttering 'I don't understand'. Too funny.

I thought this was a good return and back to more questions than answers but I for one am ok with that and don't find it nearly as annoying as some others do. I love the flash backs and keep looking for clues which is fun.

ScotyUtah

10-05-2006, 01:28 PM

It's on!! Like PearlBlack indicated, I also thought the information Juliette revealed to Jack was a little above generic and definitely think that it was info pulled from Kate by Benry and his crew. I think the kid who helped Sawyer escape was definitely a plant. Jack must have a glass jaw.

may1

10-05-2006, 02:12 PM

Pattijoretired

10-05-2006, 02:39 PM

As for Kate giving info on Jack to the Others, did she know this stuff? Did Jack ever tell anybody about his wife, where he went to school, the hosp. he worked at? I can't remember him saying this stuff. (my memory is shit anyway)

Maybe he did tell them this stuff on the island and it will come back as a flash back later on or something. I know they don't have flash backs from the island, but I wonder if they will start.

Pekmboyd

10-05-2006, 03:45 PM

My humble additional thoughts:

Adam (in the book club) looks like Dr. Drew. I’m sure that this is the key to the Lost mystery.

Just like when we found out Zeke’s real name is Tom, finding out fake Henry’s real name was Ben bummed me out….I liked their fake names.

Good one: “You’re not my type”

They show Jack take off a bandage, and Kate take one off, but not Sawyer – are they not testing/injecting him like Jack & Kate?

Sawyer’s fellow prisoner – I think he's not a plant, mostly because I think the producers know that's what we'll think so they'll do the opposite.

Anybody remember the timeline for how long Walt was missing before the Others let him go with Michael? Two weeks maybe? Is there some sort of testing regimen the Others put all of their prisoners through that lasts two weeks?

jampony

10-05-2006, 04:10 PM

Sawyer’s fellow prisoner – I think he's not a plant, mostly because I think the producers know that's what we'll think so they'll do the opposite.
I don't think he's a plant either, but I do think he's one of them. Maybe the others' utopia isn't so perfect and the kid committed some sort of crime and that was the only "jail" they had on the island. But, boy howdy, they sure bloodied him up good when they caught him, didn't they? Hmmm... maybe it was all fake. We know how they love their stage makeup!

Tabby Lavalamp

10-05-2006, 04:16 PM

The "system failure" powerful enough to pull down the plane, however there was nothing in Othersville "pulled" by the magnetic force. Did they not have metal objects? Seems to me that the oven, the muffin tin etc. are made of metal. WTF?

If I had the resources they seem to have, and I was living on an island with such a strong magnetic force on it, I'd have everything made of metals and alloys not affected by magnetism.

Maybe he did tell them this stuff on the island and it will come back as a flash back later on or something. I know they don't have flash backs from the island, but I wonder if they will start.

They had an island-based flashback episode last season, where we found out what happened to Claire when she was kidnapped.

jampony

10-05-2006, 04:34 PM

The "system failure" powerful enough to pull down the plane, however there was nothing in Othersville "pulled" by the magnetic force. Did they not have metal objects? Seems to me that the oven, the muffin tin etc. are made of metal. WTF?

Did the magnetic thing pull down the plane or just really mess up the instruments? Oh, but it fell apart in midair so it must be the magnet's pull, right? But how could a magnet, no matter how large, tear a plane in half? Did they explain all this last season and I just missed it?

Pekmboyd

10-05-2006, 06:00 PM

Did the magnetic thing pull down the plane or just really mess up the instruments? Oh, but it fell apart in midair so it must be the magnet's pull, right? But how could a magnet, no matter how large, tear a plane in half? Did they explain all this last season and I just missed it?

They didn't really explain it, but the producers have said they won't make a point of explicitly answering every single tiny question...how could they at this point?? I assume that the magnet didn't exactly tear the plane in half, but the iceberg didn't break the Titanic in half either....to mean that the magnet caused the plane to crash but the varied physical forces of lift and velocity and magnetic pull put too much stress on the structure of the plane and it broke apart under duress.

Madam Pomfrey

10-06-2006, 07:16 AM

Loved the episode and EdHill's recap.

When Juliet told Jack that he needed to eat and talked him into sitting by the wall, I thought she would enter through the glass wall (didn't realize there was a door inside his room) and when she walked out after he gave in, I thought,

"HOLY SHIT! She just talked him into something and gave him the psyche of the century!"

I thought it would then go into her continuing to fuck with him that way- like "trust me this time- I promise I will give it to you" and then NOT.

I mean, if you're hungry enough, you'd have to hold out some hope that maybe, just maybe this time it would be true.

I think Juliet and Ben/Henry are definitely connected romantically somehow. She had a bit of scorned woman attitude toward him.

Jack had the crazy eyes in the scene with his dad and the obsessive cell phone dialing.

Carl, the other prisoner- maybe he was using Sawyer as bait so that he would have a better chance of escaping. He picked that lock like it wasn't a new skill for him and if he's NOT a plant, he has obviously tried this escape before.

Did Carl/Kate's cage have the same type of food distribution thing that Sawyer's had? If not, how did Carl get food? What did he have to do to earn his food? Is there another type of test in Kate's cage? If not, what were they observing Carl for while he was in there? I can't dismiss it with a simple, "He's a plant" although he very well might be, but it seems too tidy.

angiemarie

10-06-2006, 01:24 PM

They didn't really explain it, but the producers have said they won't make a point of explicitly answering every single tiny question...how could they at this point?? I assume that the magnet didn't exactly tear the plane in half, but the iceberg didn't break the Titanic in half either....to mean that the magnet caused the plane to crash but the varied physical forces of lift and velocity and magnetic pull put too much stress on the structure of the plane and it broke apart under duress.

Nice physics lesson, Pekmboyd! :smartass:

may1

10-06-2006, 03:20 PM

Pekmboyd, maybe you can explain how Juliet and Jack closed the door against all that water. I'm having a hard time with that one!

Pekmboyd

10-06-2006, 03:48 PM

Nice physics lesson, Pekmboyd! :smartass:

Anytime! Obviously my fancy schmancy college degree must come in handy for something. :rolleyes:

Pekmboyd, maybe you can explain how Juliet and Jack closed the door against all that water. I'm having a hard time with that one!

Well, now, see....umm....that's Spelling's Law. Certain completely unplausible events and/or outcomes are required for the continued success of the desired plotline. (Example - Meredith Grey being attractive to two men)

zoobabe

10-07-2006, 08:23 PM

It may have been mentioned already, but I could swear that in the scene with Jack in the hospital before his dad gets the cellphone call in the hallway, the patient in the bed was Zeke (the beardless Other). Did anyone else catch this?

I like the scenes in the "zoo' and Sawyer having to manipulate the levers to get food. Even if it was a fish biscuit, he did damn good!:D