Episode 11/1/06

[Jinger]

I can't believe no one has started this yet...are the Fresh Meat allowed to start new threads!?!?

Last night was awesome! I have decided however that I am done with spoilers, it was not a lot of fun pretty much knowing most of what was going to happen and if you search hard enough you can find out a lot, too much if you ask me.

Eko - I admit....I knew it was coming and I still cried. I am going to miss him terribly :sad:

I have kind of a new "theory" regarding the black smoke too. All of the hallucinations that our Losties have had - Kate's horse, Jack's dad, Hurley's Dave - seem to come from that black smoke somehow. When Eko faced it last season, it had flashed visions of his life so somehow this black smoke can get inside one's head and manifest itself as someone/something relevant to a person. Generic theory I know, just putting it out there.

Jack/Juliet/Benry - holy sh *t!! That video!! Have to admit I knew that was coming too (damn spoilers, make me stop!) but seeing it, who is Jack supposed to believe?! I so want to believe that Benry is the bad guy but that is just too easy....I have a bad bad feeling that we are going to find out Benry is actually a good guy and Juliet is the one that Jack should be in fear of. Dying to see how that turns out...

New Losties - GIVE ME A FRAKKING BREAK!!!! How much did their presence SUCK ROCKS!?!?!? The lines the 2 had were the lamest, most ridiculous things ever utterred on this show. 2 worst - Paulo coming out of the bathroom and the VERY WORST Nikki with her "revelation" that the tv's may be connected to the other hatches and Locke's WORST. LINE. EVER - "Suddently I am feeling very stupid/foolish" (whatever he said). ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?! seriously!?! Are we supposed to buy that!? Like he didn't see the tv w/Jack in the swan hatch last season!?!!? idiots, way to insult our intelligence. But of course, I won't hold a grudge....

Previews for next week are too much for me right now, I can't even digest all of it. I read that we are in for a mind blowing cliffhanger and I am going to do my very best to stay away from the spoilers because I miss the good old days when my mind got blown regulary by this show and this week will be a good week to kick my spoiler habit, I have a feeling the payoff next week will be worth it.

I love this show...a little too much. I am reminded of a line from a movie - "it's OK to love your dog, just don't LOVE your dog". Remove dog and insert LOST and apply to me!

[Ms. Tumnus]

RIP Eko. You'll be missed.

So happy I resited the urge to read spoilers.

I have no idea what to believe any more --

is Juliet still manipulating Jack? Why does Desmond see mundane things like Locke's speach, but couldn't predict Eko's demise? Why didn't Eko (or Locke, for that matter) get "powers" yet Desmond did? Unless Desmond was always a bit "precog" Ã*-la Walt.

[susanarosa]

That makes sense that maybe Desmond was always somewhat gifted, however he obviously couldn't see that his fiancee would break up with him or that he would be stranded on an island... ya know, the important stuff.

I liked the Jack/Juliet/Benry story line this episode. They've finally given Jack a non-prissy backbone. I like that.

I'm really pissed they killed off Eko, he was one of the only multi-facted characters left on the show. Is aid at the first episode that if they killed him I'd stop watching. If it wasn't for the whole Benry tumor storyline, I probably would.

This show is starting to wear on me. I'm really, really, really sick of the Sawyer/Kate storyline. It looks like they have sex next episode... big whoop.

[basia.mille]

Yeah, by killing off Eko, it's like the writers are slowly chipping at every other story line besides the Kate and Sawyer storyline. I'm really tired of them, and with yet another character dead (one of the best characters in my opinion), I'm afraid there is more time to focus on them. Ugh.

It's official. I don't really like Lost anymore. I've lost faith in it. I'll still watch, but I'm hanging by a thread. I'm just not into it as much as I used to be.

What is good is that Eko went out with a bang. Last night's episode is one of my favorites of all seasons.

[Fiver]

I'm done with Lost. The writers continue to write themselves into a hole. It's nowhere near as good as it was the first season. It feels messy now. The inclusion of the new people is irritating. The chemistry they try to show between the original cast and the new "supposedly been on the island the whole time" people is forced and discomforting. It makes me feel the way Bewitched fans must have felt when they switched actors for the Darren character with no explanation. I feel cheated.

The idea that Benry needs Jack to operate on him and was happy that a doctor just fell out of the sky is hack. You'd think that if a plane fell out of the sky with a doctor that can perform a life saving procedure on you, you might be a little friendlier. Maybe, I dunno, go introduce yourself. Help the victims of the crash. Offer to let them stay in your nice little house with a white picket fence across the island. Not put them through harassment and torture to bend and break their will or try to manipulate them to do your bidding. It's infuriating.

Dear writers of Lost... you can suck it.

*flips a TV tray*

[wendy_loohoo]

Why didn't Eko (or Locke, for that matter) get "powers" yet Desmond did? Unless Desmond was always a bit "precog" Ã*-la Walt.

My assumption on Desmond's powers are that he probably did get premonitions before but never in enough detail so he just got the sense of deja vu a lot. So the explosion enhanced those things. And that he sees things that he is supposed to prevent or help along. And with Mr. Eko he was not supposed to save him.

I don't know why Eko didn't get any powers and I am wondering about Locke. He seems to have a renewed energy and purpose. Maybe his power is faith.

[dumbanddumber]

I'm sad to see Eko go, he was a great character. Although, I heard that the actor wanted off the show, so I guess that they didn't really have a choice. What bothers me is that he final few minutes were pretty contradictory to his established character so far. Last season, he was this ruthless, murderous, drug lord who's life had been changed by his brother's death, who was now trying to gain repentance by trying to live like a holy man, like his brother. Then last night, he's confronted by his brother from beyond the grave, who's there to hear his confession ... and he's suddenly unrepentant, offering up feeble justifications for his past behavior. It would have been more interesting to me if Eko had begged for Yemi's forgiveness ... and the monster still killed him.

As far as the new characters, I think that Lost has become a victim of it's formula. In the first season, the flashbacks were a new and different way to learn about the past history of the characters, and to shed light on their behavior on the island. I think that, for the most part, the flashbacks have become repetitive and a waste of time. Some are still ok, I think ... but Sawyer's last week? Locke's two weeks ago? Charlie and Sayid last year? They don't tell you anything that you don't know already about the characters. And I think that they know this ... so to try and keep the backstories fresh, the introduce all these new characters with new histories; some are interesting (Eko, Juliet), some not so much (Ana Lu, Paolo, and that other new chick). I think that they should just drop the flashbacks, unless they really have some story to tell, and focus on the characters that have been established already, the ones that we actually care about.

Whew! That was longer than expected!

[basia.mille]

I'm sad to see Eko go, he was a great character. Although, I heard that the actor wanted off the show, so I guess that they didn't really have a choice. What bothers me is that he final few minutes were pretty contradictory to his established character so far. Last season, he was this ruthless, murderous, drug lord who's life had been changed by his brother's death, who was now trying to gain repentance by trying to live like a holy man, like his brother. Then last night, he's confronted by his brother from beyond the grave, who's there to hear his confession ... and he's suddenly unrepentant, offering up feeble justifications for his past behavior. It would have been more interesting to me if Eko had begged for Yemi's forgiveness ... and the monster still killed him.


I actually really liked the fact that Eko is a well rounded character. He finally decided to stand by what he's done. He killed those drug lords (that was the most awesome thing I have seen on Lost in so long) in order to protect his village. There is no reason for him to feel sorry for that and beg for his dead brother's forgiveness. He did what he had to do to survive. I love that Eko died being strong willed. Otherwise, I think I would have been disappointed in his character.

But I do agree with you about how the circumstances of his death are contradictory to the Eko we learned to know. But for a different reason. Based upon the fact that Eko stared down the smoke monster before and the monster left him unscathed, I thought that the monster had respect for his fearlessness and would never hurt him after that. It just seemed weird that the feel and direction of the story keeps changing like this. It's also very annoying. I kind of feel like every shocking or interesting thing that happens lately (Eko's death, Ana and Sawyer having hot jungle sex, Sawyer being beaten up by Colleen's widower) is there just to be there.

About Juliet. I think she's against Ben, but that she's actually the evil bad guy Jack needs to be worried about. She might be a part of a faction in the Others group that would do more damage to the Losties than Ben every wanted to.

[jampony]

Unless Desmond was always a bit "precog" Ã*-la Walt.
When did Walt have precog abilities? I don't remember.

I'm really, really, really sick of the Sawyer/Kate storyline. It looks like they have sex next episode... big whoop.
I'm happy to see this storyline take shape, because it means the jack/sawyer/kate storyline is over!

[Jinger]

I actually really liked the fact that Eko is a well rounded character. He finally decided to stand by what he's done. He killed those drug lords (that was the most awesome thing I have seen on Lost in so long) in order to protect his village. There is no reason for him to feel sorry for that and beg for his dead brother's forgiveness. He did what he had to do to survive. I love that Eko died being strong willed. Otherwise, I think I would have been disappointed in his character.


Unfortunately, I don't believe Eko killed those men to protect his village. He killed them because he wanted to sell the vaccine himself. I think in his "confession", the writers copped out. Him saying that he did the best with the life he was given and pretty much only referring to the man he killed to save Yemi when they were kids as some kind of justification for the rest of it was lame. I really loved this episode, I did. But there were just too many things that were not very Lost-like in the writing. I understand bringing in new characters to freshen up the flashbacks, but really, the dialogue these 2 had was more at a B-movie level than they usual level I have grown to love. Locke's words just keep running through my head "I'm suddenly feeling quite stupid" responding to Nicki's big discover that the tv's are linked to the other stations. And Paulo's "the bathroom still works" - are you kidding me!? That's all they could come up with!?

I guess when you expect too much it's easy to feel let down.....

[basia.mille]

Interesting take on Eko. Maybe I'm such a fan of the character that I feel he could do no wrong. :P

But I totally agree with you about the writing seeming very unlost like. Seems that the writers themselves, are lost. And I've never seen new characters be introduced in such a lame way. A good introduction would be if one of them were in one of those flashbacks they've shown this season. Like if Nikki was the sister of Sawyer's baby momma... or something like that. It would have made the flashbacks less redundant and made the new characters seem more legit.

[Jinger]

Interesting take on Eko. Maybe I'm such a fan of the character that I feel he could do no wrong. :P

I know! It broke my heart to realize that he really kind of was a "bad" person which I really didn't get until last night. I had always assumed that he did what he did because it was what he HAD to do but he surely did not HAVE to go and sell that vaccine on the black market for his own benefit. If he had say....killed the guys in order to allow the village to have all of the vaccine instead of 20%, I would still think he wasn't "bad". However...well, you know how that goes. But don't get me wrong, me loves me some Eko and I am still devastated that he is gone. I guess it's kind of like Jack said to Kate way back in season 1 - when they landed on the island they all died and get to start their lives all over again and in my eyes, Eko was GOOD on that island.

And not looking for spoilers is KILLING ME!! I still think that whole thing w/Kate and Sawyer doing it can't be what they want us to think it is. When they had their kiss a few weeks back it was more like a diversion for Sawyer to try to get away so it wasn't really what we were led to believe then....and I'm sure it's not what we are being led to believe it is now. I don't know where everyone else stands on this but I really think that Jack and Kate are a much hotter couple! Hello!? Anyone remember the net!? Now that was HOT!

[dumbanddumber]

I actually really liked the fact that Eko is a well rounded character. He finally decided to stand by what he's done. He killed those drug lords (that was the most awesome thing I have seen on Lost in so long) in order to protect his village. There is no reason for him to feel sorry for that and beg for his dead brother's forgiveness. He did what he had to do to survive. I love that Eko died being strong willed. Otherwise, I think I would have been disappointed in his character.



I don't think that I would mind if he had reached that conclusion gradually, but it seemed very sudden for me. On the timeline of the show, he was only building that church a week ago ... and just a few days ago, he found his 'new' purpose in pushing the button (which he failed at), that he was guided to by his dead brother. Seems to me that those are his ways of repenting for his past actions. Maybe begging for forgiveness would have been a stretch, but I don't think that the character that they established last season would have been so unapologetically unrepentant. I guess that it seems to me that they set him up as this bad guy whose actions cost him his brother's life; but who, because of that, was trying to become a better man. After last night, it makes it seem like maybe he was the same guy all along.

I was cheering when he went all medieval on those goons, though ... I wish that they hadn't foreshadowed it earlier in the episode!

[may1]

I'm having the hardest time believing Ben has a tumor on his spine. How is he functioning with this?
Until I read this thread, I was suckered into thinking Juliet was good. She's so much prettier than Ben, therefore, Juliet/good...Ben/bad. Now, my eyes have been opened up to the possibilty that she can't be trusted either.
I agree about Ben getting Jack to help in a nicer way, than killing/capturing/terrorizing the losties. If the "others" were good, why didn't they help the plane crash victims right off the bat? Alot to digest.
The whole "smoke" thing is interesting, how and when it appears.
I'll miss Eko, he was one of my fav characters. As far as the newbies, I'm holding judgement on them for right now. Remember, last season Eko was a newbie.

[chick110]

So, who the heck ARE these Nicki and Paulo people? Are they tailies? Or were they always with "our" group? Is it supposed to be another Lost mystery as to who they are? Why all of a sudden are Locke and Eko and Charlie bringing them along on a trip to the other station?

So hoping they will be like the Star Trek characters that go on a visitation to an unknown planet wearing red shirts...

[Ms. Tumnus]

When did Walt have precog abilities? I don't remember.


I remember him once touching Locke before anyone else knew about the hatch (besides Boone, of course) and him saying "don't open it. It's bad" or something like that.

Then there was the bird flying into the window, the polar bear comic, and the fact that he kept rolling the dice in his favour while playing backgammond -- not really precog, but something, anyway.

[Jinger]

So, who the heck ARE these Nicki and Paulo people? Are they tailies? Or were they always with "our" group? Is it supposed to be another Lost mystery as to who they are? Why all of a sudden are Locke and Eko and Charlie bringing them along on a trip to the other station?

They got to go on this excursion because Locke asked if anyone wanted to go and when Charlie or Hurley mentioned that Jack always just took certain people, Locke said he's "not Jack". Although, I am sure that Locke set up several jaunts where he picked and chose who went with him so now in order to bring these newbies into the fold he has changed suddenly!? Again, not happy with how they are drawing these people into the big picture, it's really making me not like them right off the bat. I wish I weren't so judgemental of them, but I just can't help it, they are bugging me!

And I also have to say that even though Eko was new last year I always kind of thought he was pretty cool.

As far as Juliet goes, if they don't give any indication in the fall finale as to her goodness or badness, she is due to be the flashback for the first returning episode in February so we should get an answer then.

[may1]

So, who the heck ARE these Nicki and Paulo people? Are they tailies? Or were they always with "our" group? Is it supposed to be another Lost mystery as to who they are? Why all of a sudden are Locke and Eko and Charlie bringing them along on a trip to the other station?

So hoping they will be like the Star Trek characters that go on a visitation to an unknown planet wearing red shirts...

They were supposed to have been there with the original's, all along. Milling about on the beach, who the hell knows. Remember Nicki said to Paulo, something like - you said you wanted to get involved - or something to that effect. That's why they went with Locke. Then they did this funny hand gesture with two fingers together and the other two fingers together..oh, you know what I mean.

[TinkerbellAPixie]

And not looking for spoilers is KILLING ME!!

You can do it - Be strong!

I don't know where everyone else stands on this but I really think that Jack and Kate are a much hotter couple! Hello!? Anyone remember the net!? Now that was HOT!

I agree 100% - I have always preferred the Kate/Jack pairing.

So, who the heck ARE these Nicki and Paulo people?

Maybe it's because I have a pre-existing crush on the actor playing Paulo - but I am thrilled to see him on the island. (purrrrrr);)

[shoebaron]

So sad to see Eko go :(, was I the only one who thought the whole, smoke-forming-a-giant-hand-and-slamming-Eko-to-death was a bit much? I guess I just expected it to be a bit more subtle.
I really hope we're not headed towards a Juliett/Jack romance, as I've finally started liking him as a character and don't want to go back to old pining-for-kate Jack, but it seems thats where we're headed.
The Juliett video blew my mind O_O

[pearlblackdragon]

OK...was I hallucinating or did the smoke monster look like a giant elephant?
The trunk was holding Eko and slamming him into the ground. What other animals did the Dharma people experiment on?

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[icepiggies]

So. Was the church Eko was building on the island his "repayment" church for desecrating Yemi's church?

I also don't think he had any intention of selling those vaccines. He made those men think he was trying to get a cut of the action so they would come to him and he could finish them off. He was trying to not only protect his village, but was seeking revenge for them preying on his little brother. I think Eko was trying to do something good, but he just went about it the wrong way, which seemed to be the only way he knew how to do things at the time.

Still...didn't he go to London. Wasn't he the one who went to Australia to hear the miracle story of the psychic's daughter? I am convinced he was not a bad man at all. He was good. He just needed time to learn how to do good in the socially acceptable way...i.e. not cutting peoples arms off and slicing them in two.

Maybe the black smoke killed him because he was strong and stood by his actions. A weak minded sould may have begged for forgiveness...been broken. Isn't that what the others want? Perhaps by him living he would've thrown a bigger wrench in their evil plans to rule the world...or whatever it is they want.

And I don't read spoilers at all, so I was shocked, devastated, and silently cried into my pillow. I had to do it silently or risk being ridiculed by my husband for crying over a silly tv show :)

[AngelVenom]

I missed the beginning of the episode. I have to read the recap cause I was pretty confused. I am starting to lose interest in this show. I'm with may1, the newbies bug me too. I was ready for the people to come before but these two just came outta nowhere and I'm bugged. I say beat it, people who magically appeared on the island.

PBD- I thought it was a giant gorilla. I saw no trunk, but a hairy, gigantic arm. I was quickly corrected by my boy, he says to me " uh, it's the fog!!" which immediately reminds me of and ICP song that sings creepily " the fog is coming" over and over.

[Wayne]

Good episode, sad to see the death of Eko, i had heard someone died in this episode, and with it being Eko's flashback i thought it would be him.

I guessed last week the that tumour belonged to Ben, good to have it confirmed.

Eye-patch man should be interesting, to find out who he is. I suppose the glass eye that was found last season belongs to him.

The Vaccine that was delivered in Eko's flashback has had me thinking, and im wondering if this is "the vaccine" that was mentioned in the Lost Experience and the same one the Desmond was taking.

[angiemarie]

I am totally bummed that Eko was killed. Adewale is such a good actor, and his character was really interesting.

I really don't understand why they are writing about 2 new random plane crash survivors. They have all the old characters (Hurley, Charlie, Claire etc) and all the Others they could be using. Isn't that enough?

[jampony]

I remember him once touching Locke before anyone else knew about the hatch (besides Boone, of course) and him saying "don't open it. It's bad" or something like that.

Then there was the bird flying into the window, the polar bear comic, and the fact that he kept rolling the dice in his favour while playing backgammond -- not really precog, but something, anyway.
Oh! Now I remember some of those things. I wonder if they'll ever bring Walt back. He and Michael haven't been in the credits all season, right?

Then they did this funny hand gesture with two fingers together and the other two fingers together..oh, you know what I mean.
Ummmm... huh? Like Mork from Ork? Nanoo nanoo? I can't believe I missed that!

Eye-patch man should be interesting, to find out who he is. I suppose the glass eye that was found last season belongs to him.

The Vaccine that was delivered in Eko's flashback has had me thinking, and im wondering if this is "the vaccine" that was mentioned in the Lost Experience and the same one the Desmond was taking.
Good memory! I forgot about both these things. (I only did about 1/4 of the Lost Experience before I got bored with it. It was so time consuming and required far too much thought.)

[roob]

So, who the heck ARE these Nicki and Paulo people? Are they tailies?

Finally watched last night...I'm going to say that Nicki, at least, is a welcome addition.

I'm with Tink - always room for more eye candy on the island.

What I said to my wife was that there was no way it took that long for the dudes on that plane to notice that chick. That's what makes it unrealistic.

Here are some questions that, in a real world scenario, would have been asked of Nicki far before last night's episode:

"We opened the hatch, and there's shampoo and a shower. Could you use a shower?"

"I'm going on a hike to find water. Would you like to join me?"

"Would you mind helping me build my raft?"

I don't care if your plane just crashed. There were (are) too many single guys on that plane to have not immediately gravitated toward her - esp. given the initial limited options (Kate, really, given that Shannon was initially a total bitch, Sun was married and as far they knew, couldn't speak English anyway, and Claire was preggers).

Ummm...did I spend to much time thinking about that?

[TinkerbellAPixie]

Roob - you could use all those same arguements with the new guy. Since Sawyer and Jack were taking up Kate's time - I could easily have slipped in and shown Mr. Hottie around the island. Maybe let him see my coconuts.

[Ms. Tumnus]

Mmmmmm...unnecessary, hot, newbie boy (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0305357/Ss/0305357/02-CT-4733.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Santoro,%20Rodrigo).

[roob]

Roob - you could use all those same arguements with the new guy. Since Sawyer and Jack were taking up Kate's time - I could easily have slipped in and shown Mr. Hottie around the island. Maybe let him see my coconuts.

So true. Except that there were a lot more single guys to choose from at the beginning. Sayid, Boone, Michael, Jack, Sawyer, Charlie...even Hurley. Are you saying that out of all those guys, you would have chosen new guy? Because even if Jack and Sawyer were originally preoccupied with Kate, I have a feeling you could have overcome that!;)

I think I would have asked Nicki to help me in the golf tournament. I've been having a difficult time straightening out my long irons.:D

How many people were supposed to have survived the crash (from the original group)? I was trying to count up how many we have met, and I stalled out at about 20, which seems about 16 short of what it should be.